September 20, 200223 yr 1) When setting the speed bugs on landing their are 5 bugs that get set and yet their are 6 flap positions. So when your speed slows and you hit the first bug you lower flaps to 1, then 5, 15, etc. By the time you reach the last bug you have the one last position to go. Can someone explain the proper procedure. thanks.2) Does the PIC panel have a warning light for the OM, MM, and IM ? I have not seen it but may be missing something. 3) The ZFW is 245,000 lbs., but what about carco and passengers (200 people x 160 lbs = 33,000 lbs plus cargo). What is a realistic number to add to the ZFW? Once you do this does it dramatically effect the performance of the sim? thanks.Mark. Mark CYYZ
September 20, 200223 yr Mark,You have brought up 3 good questions. I am going to attempt to answer a couple of them.First the Marker Beacon lights you are asking about, I just flew the ILS to runway 8 here in ABQ and I too could not find any lights on the panel or center pedistal (where the radios are located). I did get the audio (beeps) when I flew over the beacon so that part is working. I would imagine that the marker beacon light if installed would be somewhere on or around the EADI. (attutude indicator). I could not find it in any of the flight or system manuals that came with the 767 program. Next question:The ZFW (zero fuel weight) is the number we get when the BOW (basic operating weight) plus the weight of the cargo and passengers is added together before any "Usuable" fuel is put on the jet. You do not have to worry about adding cargo and pax to the 245K ZFW as it is already part of that weight. Now here is the part that I wanted to know and finally had to go to Mr Boeing's website to get some numbers. http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/aircompat/767sec2.pdfBy the way, the BOW is the empty weight of the aircraft to include unusable fuel, oil, water maunuals, and equipment like galley carts, etc. There might be some other items I cannot think of but those are the basics.The 767s in the PIC767 are built around these numbers:MTOW 408K (max takeoff weight)MLW 320K (max landing weight)ZFW 245K (zero fuel weight)Going back to the Boeing chart in paragraph 2.1.3 dated Feb 1989 at the above Boeing link, you will see that there are 3 or 4 columns of numbers listed. I took the numbers from the one closest to PIC767 specs. The chart shows an empty weight of aprox 198.4K. If the ZFW is listed as 245K, then we have aprox 47K pounds of pax and cargo simulated in our 767s. That means we could put 163K pounds of fuel onboard to bring us up to MTOW (max takeoff weight)I do not know if the program designers were not able to allow us to load pax and cargo in addition to fuel or they were just trying to keep it simple for the average PC pilot. I think that it was the Microsoft FS2002 program that does not allow for passenger and cargo to be added separately. Hope I did not confuse you more than I already am.As for the speed bugs, all the manual said was that they could be set manually or automatically both in the air and on the ground. The way I understand their operation on the ground is that they could indicate the various V-speeds (V1, Vr, V2 etc) where as in the air I really do not know. The speed bug (big orange one) does correspond to the speed set on the panel either maunually or by the FMC.Again, good questions and maybe someone out there can help us fill in the blanks.Terry
September 21, 200223 yr "2) Does the PIC panel have a warning light for the OM, MM, and IM ? I have not seen it but may be missing something."Hi, Mark.In PIC, the Marker Lights are located between the IVSI and the Standby Engine Indicator.Looking at pics of 767's on the internet, there appears to be more "real estate" on the instrument panels and the Marker Indicators are placed slightly higher up on the panels (The Captain's Marker Indicators are between the Altimeter and the Standby Attitude Indicator.... I haven't got any pics handy of the F/O's Marker Indicators, but it doesn't take too long to find them when you push the light test switch on the overhead panel :-hah).Cheers.Ian.
September 21, 200223 yr Ian, Thanks for the help finding the beacon lights. When I knew where to look, it jumped out and bit me on the nose. : )Terry
September 21, 200223 yr Mark,I see you got some excellent answers on your other questions.With repsect to setting the bugs, different airlines set them different ways.Air Canada, for example, only uses 4 white bugs.For take-off, they are set for V1, VR, Vref+40 (Min flap 5 manoeuvre speed) and Vref+80 (min clean manoeuvre speed)For approach and landing they set them at Vref+80, Vref+40, and a double but at Vref (Vref for the appropriate landing flap, either 25 or 30).The speeds for other flaps settings are easy to remember because they are 20 knot increments from the bugs that are already set.Kevin in CYOW.
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