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Im thinking of getting the V-tailed Bonanza model from Carenado and was wondering how the Carenado models are in general?VC cockpit? Custom Sounds? are they GMAX? etc.....Is it worth the 15 bucks?Thanks to all who reply!Shane

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I like mine for the most part. They are not Gmax and they do not have VC's, they do fly well and I think for 15 bucks, they are the best bonanza around. They are not as good as other pay ware such as FSD and if you are expecting the same quality you will be dissappointed. If you really want a bonanza, they are fine.

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Absolutely! I have been flying the V-tail exclusively for the past few weeks.I took it on a simulated cross-country tour from Chicago down through Oklahoma and New Mexico to the Grand Canyon, then Las Vegas, San Diego, Las Angeles, Santa Barbara, San Francisco, up through Oregon and on to Seattle. I landed and took off at all kinds of airfields from ILS runways at international airports to backwoods grass strips. The Bonanza has good speed and is fun to fly. Very smooth, powerful, and easy to control at all different speeds. It's also stunning to look at, expecially the American registry version with the red-and-white 70's style paint job.I recommend it.

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So they do/don't have a VC and are/aren't GMAX??I got 2 different answers :(Shane

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Who the heck said it doesn't have a VC??? Mine has a VC, allbe not the best VC considering you're paying for it, but a great plane none-the-less.

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Thanks for the info guys!So is the aircraft GMAX?1 guy said it was and another guy said it wasn't :/Soooo...is it?Thank you so far!!:)Shane

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Not sure if it's gmax or not, but it's not hard on the frame rates ;-)

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Does it have reflective textures?If it does that might be a good indicator. I ask because some of the pictures I've seen I could have sworn I saw reflective textures but can't be sure :/Shane

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Shane,Once you get beyond the old "ethics" issues involving Carenado, the Bonanza is not all that bad.I own the F33A, not the new V35. I find the exterior model of the F33A to be visually stunning, but I am a sucker for the pretty ladies :-lol. However, the 2D panel leaves a little bit to be desired. There also were some original flight model issues, but Steve Small posted a "tune up" a while back. Very nice of him, considering. I don't know if the new V35 comes with a custom sound package, but the F33A did not. I like the VC on the F33A, but the gauges are not near as crisp compared to the DF archer or others.I would also recommend Geof's Debonair. Very nice indeed.So, in summation, if you are dead set on a Bonanza.....I guess the Carenado package is worth looking into. I would also recommend Geof's Debonair. Very nice indeed. But if you are just looking for a single prop GA, I would first recommend the Dreamfleet Archer 2, which in my opinion is the best single p GA release to date.Good Luck,Rogerhttp://rwlsportscards.com/images/sigs/avsig3.gif

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I'd take the bonaza anyday over the Debonair (sorry Geoffa, but the damn gear breaks on me evertime I get off the pavement ;-) ).

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Hi Roger, thanks for the response.I am planning an around the world flight and would like something a little bit faster then the Archer. But you are correct, my friend has the Archer and it looks absolutley fantastic!He does have problems in VC mode with FPS and he has the same system as mine so I'm kind of weary of purchasing it :/Also, we both have top of the line systems.If the above makes any sense, lol.Shane

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>He does have problems in VC mode with FPS and he has the >same system as mine so I'm kind of weary of purchasing it :/ >>Also, we both have top of the line systems. >>If the above makes any sense, lol. >>ShaneShane,I had a strange problem with the Archer stuttering in VC mode. Same problem I have with the Supercub 180 (FSD). And my sim machine isn't exactly swiss cheese either. This was solved by lowering the VC gauge quality when running those aircraft. Even then, the vc quality in the Archer was superior to that of the F33A IMHO. But in all fairness, the F33A was released long (relative) before the Archer. The V35 might have a nicer set than my F33A.Good Luck,Rogerhttp://rwlsportscards.com/images/sigs/avsig3.gif

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Thanks for the quick reply Roger!I appreciate it. I'll let my buddy know about that VC fix and see if it helps him out. Hmmmm, I may have to give that Archer a second look :)Thanks again!Shane

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The Bonanza does have reflective textures and produces great frame rates on my P4 system. The VC and panels are very functional. They are perfectly legible, even zoomed out a long way. Of course they are not quite as pretty as the ones on the Archer II--but whose are? The Archer II has the best interior of any GA plane I have seen. On the other hand, the exterior appearance of the Bonanza is far superior to the Archer. The Bonanza also has the better flight model. It trims out better than the Archer and in my opinion gives smoother and more convincing rotations and flares--a particular weakness with the Archer's flight model. The Bonanza also flies a lot faster, so if you want to go places... By the way, I think Carenado's V35 Bonanza is a great improvement over their F33.I own both versions of the Bonanza as well as the Archer II. If I were to lose all my planes, I would definitely replace the Archer II and the V35, but probably pass on the F33.

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> It trims out better than the Archer and in my >opinion gives smoother and more convincing rotations and >flares--a particular weakness with the Archer's flight >model. I think I'll have to "wonder" on the "flares". I personally think my ArcherII flares as close to the real item, as I've encountered in the sim world. I've flown a lot of real life Archers including finishing my PPL in one. I say MY Archer, because it's my controls and rudder pedals. As to the Bonanza being far superior in exterior graphics, then it must be sensational because the Archer is really quite good itself. Unless of course you're using a CPU/card/settings that are displaying smeared side textures---------which mine doesn't.But I must admit, had I bought a Bonanza, it would probably be based on it's exterior looks more than flight models. The exteriors are what drew me to their products to start with.L.AdamsonAthlon 1900XPGeforce3Ti500512DDRram1600*1200*32 resolution

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>He does have problems in VC mode with FPS and he has the >same system as mine so I'm kind of weary of purchasing it :/ >The Archer VC mode has prooved to work extremely well on my system. It's usually my favorite mode. And my system is now a "notch" below top of the line. Unless something is drastically wrong, I wouldn't worry about purchase (ArcherII, as I believe that's what you're talking about...... if not, then never mind :)).L.AdamsonAthlon 1900XPGeforce3Ti500512DDRram

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The Gent that made the freeware Debonair is at the moment making a V-Tail version...hopefully it will be out soon. Cant wait myself! I see tons of these everyday at work! (KLGB)

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I have got to stick my nose in here and say that if someone is considering a choice between the Dreamfleet Archer II and ANY plane by Carenado, you do a search on the AVSim main page on "Carenado" and read the reports of their use of someone else's air file in one of their own commercial products, their denial of it, and then their admitting of the fact.Once you've read that, if you still want to even think about buying one of their products instead of one from a reputable and solid company like Dreamfleet ... I can't help you because I haven't tried (nor will I ever try) something from Carenado.So if it's really a choice between a Dreamfleet plane and a Carenado plane, please go with Dreamfleet.--TonyP.S. - Please note I've made no allegations that have not been admitted to by Carenado, so there should be no legal issue.

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Larry,Wow! Your Archer is nice & sharp. Unfortunately, mine suffers from a tad bit of smearing as you described. I took some screen shots of my Archer at the best angle to avoid the buries, and you can see some comparisons shots of both it and the old F33A below.Once again, I think the Carenado visual is a tad bit more detailed ( at least on my pc), but as I stated far above: the overall Archer package wins hands down. IMHO I wish there was a way to improve my Archer's visuals, but I think it has to do more with having a PIII + Geforce2 setup, than any settings I am using (I tried changing aircraft texture size to massive, per Lou's recommendations).Note to Avsim moderators: Don't worry, I'm hosting these pics, so the bulk of bandwidth being eaten is mine :-) Each shot is apprx. 50K:http://www.rwlsportscards.com/images/F33-1.jpghttp://www.rwlsportscards.com/images/PA28-1.jpghttp://www.rwlsportscards.com/images/F33-3.jpghttp://www.rwlsportscards.com/images/PA28-2.jpgIf you guys find that these shots slow the thread down too much, let me know, and I'll yank them.Take care,Rogerhttp://rwlsportscards.com/images/sigs/avsig3.gif

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OOPs! You are right, it does have a VC, I was confused with the other Carenado planes I purchased and that did not have a VC.:-doh Ethics issues aside and claims of who stole what from who, does anyone own both the Carenado and the Flight One Archer. I am interested in which is better as far as functionality and flight model?

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Roger---- they do look good!As to visuals, check settings such as best graphics versus best performance. Originally my PIII600/Viper770 Ultra was displaying much better graphics than the Athlon 1900XP/Geforce3Ti500. Once getting the settings correct & then later using NVmax, it made all the difference. My test case was the default Baron. L.Adamson

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>I think I'll have to "wonder" on the "flares". I personally think my >ArcherII flares as close to the real item, as I've encountered in >the sim world.It's not so much the flare as the touchdown and rotation. Maybe it's just me, but the Archer's nose gear seems to drop to the ground as soon as the mains have touched down, instead of settling more slowly and smoothly. Likewise the rotations seem less smooth. Prior to the update, the plane would not rotate at all. The current version is better, but it just doesn't have that slinky, sexy rotation of the Bonanza.It's a quibble, nothing more. I have logged thousands of sim-miles in the Archer II and love the plane. But the V-tail is my current infatuation.

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I would agree with that. I does seem to be much smoother on the landings, even when coming in a little hot. It is a fun plane to fly.

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