November 23, 200322 yr I will be eventually building a dual seat tandem style pit, something like a fighter/trainer & was wondering if anybody knows how they handle switches on a real aircraft that both pilot & co-pilot have on their individual panels, for example lets say something simple like NAV lights, If the front seaters switch is in the ON position & the rear seater decides to turn them OFF then the front seaters switch is still in the ON postion, using standard toggle switches.So how do they handle it in a real situation, the only way I can think of is that when the switch moves position on either panel it toggles the the logic & lights an indicator to show ON or OFF, am I on the right track ?I know I can do this with FSBus & I can't think of any other way, other than the way electricians wire 2 light switches to turn a single light ON or OFF or using a momentry pushbutton that toggles the logic. Things like the gear lever, throttle, joystick & rudder pedals would normally be mechanically linked I would think, If anyone could shed some light on this for me if they have had any experiences in a dual seat pit, I would love to hear some ideas.Thanks Glenn.
November 25, 200322 yr Glenn, In the F-4 most of the lights and such were handled by the front-seater. Radios, were repeaters. The back-seater could be given control of the radios and he would change freqs. The front-seater console still showed the old freq. If he took command of the radios, the freq in his set would then become the new radio frequency. Fear and flaps were only lowered by the front-seater. In an emergency, the back-seater could lower the gear & flaps by blowing them down. The guy-in-back (GIB) had control of the radar. Throttles and stick were hydraulically controlled. They moved together. The same for ejection, there was a valve in the back that could be put into a position that would allow the back-seater to eject the front-seater or only himself.What I am saying is that switches were either the front seat or back seat. The one exception I can think of was the rudder connect taxi button on the control stick. It was a hold in to work button. Either person could hold it in to taxi.Sorry, I know this isn JohnMy first SIM was a Link Trainer. My last was a T-6 IIAMD Ryzen 7 7800 X3D@ 5.1 GHz, 32 GB DDR5 RAM - 3 M2 Drives. 1 TB Boot, 2 TB Sim drive, 2 TB Add-on Drive, 6TB Backup data hard driveRTX 3080 10GB VRAM, Meta Quest 3 VR Headset
November 25, 200322 yr Thanks for the Reply John, thats plenty of info & very interesting that things are split between the front & back & not duplicated as I assumed. However in my sim I may not allways have a rear seater so I will have to double everything up & probably have to live with switches that toggle the logic, Fully duplicating the radio's believe it or not should actually be quite easy with FSBus.I Have just about completed construction of the the first ACESII replica for the front seater, it's taken about 2 Weeks on & off, the bad news is I have to do it all again, It's alot of work but will be heaps of fun in the end & at least I should be able to share the sim experience with others.Cheers Glenn.
November 26, 200322 yr I think the idea of a dual sim is a great idea. I remember may years ago, about the time Oliver Wright was teaching me to fly (j/k), I couldn JohnMy first SIM was a Link Trainer. My last was a T-6 IIAMD Ryzen 7 7800 X3D@ 5.1 GHz, 32 GB DDR5 RAM - 3 M2 Drives. 1 TB Boot, 2 TB Sim drive, 2 TB Add-on Drive, 6TB Backup data hard driveRTX 3080 10GB VRAM, Meta Quest 3 VR Headset
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