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Hi George,The "Ariane Design" web page was up before the recent forum / AVSIM article since I have been using either that one OR the Woodlandworld address......... domain registered 13/aug/2002 !!!

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"Ariane Studios""Ariane Design""Ariane Airshop"'...a rogue by any other name...'Toni.

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Apparently you guys never read the AVSIM front page.Using the term "witch hunt" is ridiculous when you know the facts, and like me, know and was invovled with, the entire history of this scumbag.

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I live in the UK and had the mis -fortune of buying the 'London Airport' from WORLD AIR SIMULATIONS at Electronics Boutique. It was an exact replica of Gary Summons Airports(right down to the AI aircraft pattern). It cost

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Nitram,....and with customer relations like that, are you surprised his companies went bust?Same style of e-mails reported from a number of Ariane customers too.At least you got your money back from the store though. Very shortly afterwards, ALL his products were removed from E.B.'s shelves as 'defective'. Toni.

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I think "witch hunt" has been quite appropriate in this case. Allegations/suspicions that disregard the facts (in this case the new domain registrations has been initiated well before the latest revelations about a PT/Ariane connection and thus has NOTHING to do with it) dilute the issue and mislead. No one can be so important that every poop he makes is commented on in this forum.Regards, UweEdit: I will follow my own advice though and will simply ignore these kinds of posts in the future, that fight isn

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Scott, AVSIM has yet to provide us with any evidence that would, oh I don't know, stand up in a court of law? The phone call is interesting, but any smart lawyer could punch "reasonable doubt" into it. And the "contract" picture is worthless as proof.Give me something to really sink my teeth in to, then I'll bite.http://www.flightsimnetwork.com/westcoastair/sig.jpghttp://www.flightsimnetwork.com/westcoastair

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It doesn't actually have to stand up in a court of law - the idea of Tishma actually suing AVSIM to prove he is nothing to do with Ariane is kind of self defeating !!!

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I don't think of these forums as a 'witch hunt'. Just a Friendly warning to people who have probably invested several thousands of pounds/dollars in their hobby. I have spent most of my time trying to create a realistic experience, only to have the formentioned person leaving me feeling like a sucker. How would you feel if nobody told you before you found out ? Wisdom is a lot less painful than experience. But if people choose to ignore these posts that is their Free choice. I can only say that If I find that this individual is behind any product, I shall avoid him like the plague. I work 50-80 hours per week to support my family and then spend a relatively small amount of money on my hobby. Why should I waste my money on products that leave a bad taste in my mouth, collect dust on my shelves and make a lazy man rich ?

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Witch hunt. Yep.I see nothing wrong with letting the buyer beware as it should be in ANY case, and we all know the Tishma debacle of a few years ago which raised the community up in arms.However, no one has STILL answered the question as to why Ariane should be under fire NOW since they have released nothing but high quality products at a fair price regardless of with whom they are affiliated? (In my best Ben Stein voice) Anyone? Anyone?But, yep. That drastic name change from Ariane Studios to Ariane Design really masks their name really well doesn't it? :-lolI'm with you UWE, no more for me. This isn't my fight either!Mike T.

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Dear Mike,Your posts always bring a smile to my face. You are a class act!You are so correct, Ariane has so well hidden it's name, I would have never guessed they were the same. .I think I would be honored to stand besides you on most subjects. Carry on Sir!Best,Clayton T. DopkeMajor, USAF (retired)"Drac"B52Drivr@aol.com

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Mike,With all due respect not 'all' of us know about PT otherwise people would not be posting here about problems with the Ariane product or customer service.The other thing that concerns me, which seems to have been forgotten, is considering the past reputation of PT have we any guarantee that the developers will be paid for their work?The latter point in itself is good reason, IMO, not to purchase.Rgds

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Uwe,Forgiving someone as horrid as PT (and you certainly know how horrid) is like forgiving the guy who stole your car and trashed your garage. So he keeps coming back over and over, stealing your cars and trashing your garage.A scammer is a scammer. I'd like to point out that EFIS98 was also a great product, but it wasn't his and he screwed the author if you remember. No? And what about London Airports/UK2000? Is Gary happy he dealt with PT? No he isn't.If we forgive and forget, it never stops and more scammers will come along because they will see no problem selling, rather, not selling anything to everyone while screwing the customer and the authors.Besides that fact, someone needs to tell me if it's legal for him to even have this company with everything else of his in receivership. It also makes me wonder if Inland Revenue is aware of this.

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Clayton,I doubt the name change it to hide from us. His creditors, Inland Revenue, and bankruptcy court would have a lot to say about this.

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oh jeeze. I have broken my promies.Hi Vulcan:I admire that you have concern for the developers, as we all do. The Ariane developers are a class act as I have had the opportunity to correspond with them on a more personal level. Their work and attention to detail is spectacular. The customer service, download issues et al my leave something to be desired after all, but....YOU are worried that the developers won't be paid for their work, so you won't patronize them because of Tishma? So they don't sell any products so you guarantee that they won't be paid for their work because they have no revenue? How does that help those you are concerned about??? I'm baffled here?!In the same token. If I (anyone here) were to find out that after the great effort Ariane has exacted to create quality work that they got stiffed then I would be on the bandwagon faster than $#!T though a goose, but you nor I have proof that this is the case and I, again, won't ostrisize Ariane based on current speculation or peer pressure.No one here has complained about Ariane products, except about the ability to download the product (which would be a concern if you are a narrowband user - not to be made little of! I think they need to fix this right away!) However this is all mixed in with complaints about:FS2002, stutters, blurries, 22,000 airports but MS is to lazy to make them all detailed, hatred of the virtual panel, default aircraft not detailed enough, default flight dynamics suck, et al.PSS products, support, employee attitude problems, flight charateristics, realism, download problems, registration problems, et al.Dreamfleet, this button is missing, FMC problems, lockups, et al.Even PIC-767, why is this missing, why didn't they do that, how come they don't do a 757, et al?Even POSKY, who work for free has been blasted for everything from poor flight dynamics to "holier than thou attitues"!You see, Vulcan, Ariane is no more perfect than any other vendor in our community, neither are they any worse (biased perception not withstanding). Quite frankly, if the only complaint that I've heard so far about the Ariane 737 Analog panel having incorrect fonts :-lol is all that can be said, then I do believe that they are on par at least with everyone else. Even as such, most people blasting Ariane don't even own one of their products! Is that fair???Vulcan, I have been raised to see the silver lining in every cloud and call me stupid (feel free! :-lol ) but until the accusations of Ariane being bent on the destruction of our hobby rears itself as true, I will side with fairness and reason instead of vengence unleached by the mob.I mean, jeeze, if the USA and Germany can become allies why can't WE in this community accept that our prior war was won definitively against Tishma and welcome 'Ariane' into this community as long as they uphold the strict standards that we all hold dear. And if the opposite were true I do believe we are a very formidable force with which most would NOT want to reckon!!!!! Just ask Tishma! :-)Just my opinion. Best regards to you and yours,Mike T.

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Hi Mike,I always look forward to your posts... in fact I'll read any thread that has a post by you. Why? Because your points are always well thought out and well reasoned. But I have to disagree with your (and others) perspective here.The issue is not whether Ariane, as a group of developers, is any good or not. I don't fly the heavy iron, so i can't speak of their work... other than what I've read here and at other forums. It's nice stuff.But the issue is Tishma, not Ariane (as a group of developers).Tishma is not good for the hobby, so therefore anybody associated with Tishma cannot be good for the hobby. That is the perception, Mike, and you know as well as I that in business perceptions carry alot of weight.So if Ariane (as a group of developers) wishes to be taken seriously by us the consumers, they must at some point in time divest themselves of Tishma. Then, and only then, will the consumer take them seriously.And no doubt Tishma will then search out other developers to make money off of (which is okay... that's the way business works), but they, too, will have to fight off the Tishma stigma. And make the choice between surviving in the business end of this hobby... or remaining with Tishma. The smart developers will drop him like a hot rock.This perspective presented by a businessman, not a hobbyist (remmember... I don't fly the heavy iron).Cut out the cancer... or the cancer will destroy the body.Respectfully,

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Ariane cannot sue anyone - since they are not a registered company they are not a "legal entity", so only the person behind the company is in a position to sue. Having made one of the "calls" myself I feel I have had real proof - if people don't/won't/can't accept the facts then that is their loss !!!

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