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Are you ashamed by your hobby?

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Hi all :-)I saw the post on the front page about the Microsoft Flight Sim store, and it got me wondering....Personally, I wouldn't be seen dead in a hat or jacket or anything else which proclaimed to the world that I'm a flight simmer. In my experience, you have to be careful who you talk to about this hobby. With some people, you might as well tell them you're a serial killer.You may say I'm a coward (and you'd probably be dead right,) and that I should hold my head up high about my chosen pastime. But I don't. What about you?PS This is just a light-hearted notion for a thread. I know some people can get VERY defensive about stuff, so please don't think I'm in any way being critical, or insulting, or anything like that.... please. ;-)

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I look at it as a question of.. Do I want the merchandise bad enough to pay M$ more money? .. Nothing more nothing less...Just my take.....

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Whilst I don't go round madly proclaiming to be a "flightsimmer" I will own up if anyone asks what my hobby is. I am not at all embarrassed by it but I doubt that I will buy a sweatshirt or hat. It is more likely that my brothers would buy them for me as a christmas or birthday present (I have already had a flying lesson courtesy of them, so who knows).PS They also call me Biggles and greet me with the Dam Busters tune.Colin

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mmmmmmmm.... let me think what to wear today for the staff meeting?a. My FS2002 sim-pilot style leather jacket (its not really leather because we are not Really pilots)b. the Chicago meigs T-Shirt with a 3D AI plane stuck on the runway messing up other plane's landingsc. My "autogen" hat with poping trees and buildings?I don't think so.....

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"My autogen hat!!!" :-)Maybe Tom could set up a new forum... MS Clothing Conference.It would fill up with posts from people complaining they can't get 50 fps on their socks, or that one of the buttons on their shirt is in the wrong place and should face up instead of down.

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Honest, very honest.Flying for real helps provide an excuse. Just the other week I took a couple of work colleagues up, and one asked if I used FS2002. I said yes, and one smirked: "do you use a joystick"? Seeing where he was coming from, I replied totally deadpan: "No I use a Yoke and Rudders". They looked at me like I was geek of the year.I felt like I had just outed myself!I am a flight simmer :-) ...No, I wouldn't wear the gear either :-lol

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"(...) In my experience, you have to be careful who you talk to about this hobby. With some people, you might as well tell them you're a serial killer (...)"What nonsense. Just about everybody in my area knows I'm a fligtsimmer, it was even mentioned in a local newspaper a few months ago. Ninety-nine percent of the people couldn't care less, and the remaining one percent were kinda giggly, asking in an amused tone: "Do you loudly holler 'Vrrrooom, vrrrooom!' when you're flying?"I know that your are not critical or insulting, and neither di I want to be... but what kind of crowd do you live among, if they produce such crazy reactions? Maybe you should change neighborhoods (grin)!Jaap Verduijn.

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Maybe so Jaap, but you live in Holland, where people tend to be a lot more laid-back and less judgmental of others, in my (limited) experience.Maybe the British government could set up an experimental system here, based upon the Amsterdam coffeeshop model. That way simmers could indulge their hobby in a controlled public environment. Of course, the shops would only be allowed to sell soft ware - al forms of hard ware would remain illegal.Sorry, it's a bit pathetic but the best I can come up with! :-)

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Don't worry, I like your reply (wide grin)!Jaap Verduijn.

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Hi All,You wouldn't catch me dead in a FS (insert clothing article name here)! And when I ask myself why, it really does come down to the geek factor. "Look at the wannbe pilot", hehe. I'm not ashamed to admit that I suffer from Flightsimulus Infinitis, it's just that I don't feel the need to broadcast it to every stranger that can read.Now hire me as an Air Canada '47 driver (or any other airline or type) and I'll wear that hat, shirt, and tie to the grave!BTW when I went to look at what they were selling, I was kind of disappointed that there was no pilot supplies, per say. No kneeboard, map holders, etc. Stuff for the desktop pilot and so on. Who the heck wants to buy a FS pen? Perhaps to sign that virtual Boeing 747 order :)Maybe if they had Dragon Wings (a 1:400 scale die-cast and plastic airliner model manufacturer, here's a link for those interested http://www.dragon-models.com/html/wingsf.htm) commission an "American Pacific B734" or a "Global Freightways B744" model, I'd buy them. But I think I'll stay away from the "I'm an FS nerd" hats, backpacks, and oooh, flight jackets.CF-AOA

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I don't believe in buying any product which turns you into an advertising hoarding for the very thing you have just paid for. Brand snobbery has achieved such silliness that it seems nowadays everybody wants to wear their labels inside out. Daft. Mugs, those who follow such fashion; I prefer the ideas of manufacturers in Germany who in some instances actually pay YOU to carry advertising on your car or whatever.Ashamed to be a flightsimmer, though? Surely, not. Friends' gentle smiles when I first tell them about my hobby usually turn into gapes of genuine incredulousness when I explain, and hopefully demonstrate, just what FS can achieve today.OK, I don't actually show them how many hundreds of aircraft are lurking on my hard disk ... scenery never looks quite so good when you're showing it to someone else ... and FS usually chooses to lock up only when someone is looking over your shoulder. But if it's good enough for the RAF's crack aerobatic team, it's good enough for me.http://www.raf.mod.uk/reds/downloads.htmlMark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitak.htmlhttp://www.swiremariners.com/reds.htmlhttp://www.swiremariners.com/redsig.jpg

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just as matter-of-factly i can say something:1. in switzerland more canabis is consumed illegal than anywhere in europe.2. flightsimming is a hobby that people accept and even admire you because you can land a 747 without crashing (sometimes :D).so, if we add up points 1 & 2, plus the holland-posts i think acceptance of our hobby and joints are kinda proportional :(

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FS is certainly the least shameful of all the PC Games out there. Personally, I use it as a learning tool, in lieu of spending thousands of dollars on actual flight instruction, and I'm certainly not ashamed of that. I know that I will eventually need "real" flight instruction, but how many hours (translate to hundreds of dollars) will this cut from my eventual instruction cost? Certainly more than the $200 or so I've spent on FS2002 products.

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Questions I always get asked when I tell people I like flight sims:Do you fly from London to New York and just sit there watching the screen?Do you get your girlfriend to dress up as an air hostess?Do you wear a pilot's hat/uniform/codpiece etc.I remember leaving a copy of PC Pilot magazine lying around the house, and my missus was idly looking through, shaking her head in disbelief and looking at me out of the corner of her eye from time to time. She came across an article by some bloke with a beard, who was described as a "flightsim expert." He had written a (pretty good) article on standard procedures, and he was basically saying that, during the take-off run, you should actually call out stuff like in real life..... you know, "V1, rotate, gear going up" etc. My girlfriend told me if she ever heard me doing that, on my own in my PC room, she would dump me. I don't think she was joking.The thought of being caught doing that makes me cringe. You might as well be caught in the middle of.... well, you know....

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N O !!!!!!!!!!.......but i am sometimes feeling ashamed about the community in general..............the way some individuals react on certain messages....my 2 centsTom van der ElstUhhhh.....well i've got no fancy line to type down here....if you know one....let me know...maybe i'll look smarter then *:-*DASH 7 FOREVER! :-bla

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You raise an extremely important point - in my eyes, anyway. That is, that flightsim is rare among computer games in that it teaches you stuff that is useful in real life, as it is 'reality based'. Perhaps, it will be useful background and backup to your eventual flight training (although you'll get jumped on by those who'll tell you that FS provides no real world shortcuts) but it is also, simply, a provider of good general knowledge. I don't fly, but I've been a big sailor all my life; I understand nautical navigation thoroughly but was never quite sure how aeroplanes got about. Now I know, and that makes me feel richer in experience. As a kid, I built, collected and read all day about aeroplanes. To be able to actually get in them and fly them in FS ... well, add a little imagination and you're anywhere you want to be. It's Christmas every day, and all of it factually based so I don't feel I'm wasting my time bashing some goth on the head in some dismal tower.It also enables me to talk to my many real pilot friends on their own level; no longer am I in the dark. Except for my name, of course.Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitak.htmlhttp://www.swiremariners.com/reds.htmlhttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitakv3.jpg

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Everyone repeat after me, "I'm a geek, and I'm proud!"A few weeks ago, I met up with some guys from my VA at Vancouver International to do some plane spotting. For some strange reason there was a television reporter there wanting to do a story about plane spotters. He followed us arround for about an hour and a half, and did a pretty good story for the evening news. In the story, he refered to us as, "wannabe pilots". My seven year old son saw the story. The next day, for show and tell, he proudly announced to his class that his dad was a "wannabe pilot". So there you go, my reputation at the school is sealed.

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Ashamed of my hobby? Absolutely not.I've no shame over my flight simulation hobby. I simply explain that I've been into aviation since I was small (at 6'4"+ and 250lbs... 196cm and 120kg for the metric types, nobody ever beleives that I was ever "small"). My wife thinks private aviation is for "lunatics and people who don't have children to raise" and won't let me take to the skies again until after the children are safely off at college.I grew up in an Air Force family and the guys who got all the girls were the guys who wore wings. Yeah, I wanted to do that. Thanks to a little thing called "progressive myopia," I just was never going to be able to live out that dream. Didn't stop me from getting a PPL and using the FAA's High Altitude enroute charts as a big wall hanging in my den, either.I'm not ashamed of the fact that for years I've been collecting the pilots' badges from around the world. I'd never wear the badges, but I just like how some of them look (my favorite recent addition was a communist-era Bulgarian first-class military pilot's badge). Most of them are in nice box frames and hang in my den.Friends of mine have asked "Doesn't flight sim get boring?" To those who don't understand the simple joy of looking down at your own house from 5500' on a nice clear VFR day, I suppose it might get dull. The hobbies other people have might be dull or pointless to me (my wife collects elephants... damn house looks like the Serengetti, for God's sake... No clue what the fascination is). They've nothing to be ashamed of, why should I?Wearing something that says "Microsoft" on it, however, is a different story. I've got no gripe with MS... I just don't feel a need to be a walking billboard for them. Hell, I won't even wear the golf shirts that I get from the company I work for, why would I want to advertise somebody else's?'course, that's just the opinion of one dude in Philly.

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Hello my name is Dave W. and I'm a flight simmer. I tell people I am medically disqualified from flying, the next best thing is flight simming.

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GEEK! GEEK! GEEK!I am the epitome of what I thought I would never become. It all started with FS 5. Over the years as the simming got better I dove deeper into the geekness of it all. I don't have a bumper sticker that says "I'd rather be Flight Simming!" But I probably should being I am a Flight Simming GEEK! I am glad there is a support group like this forum so that all of us geeks can discuss how to make our sims better. If I ever start wearing a jacket that say flight simulator on it with a flight simulator pen and pocket protector, then uninstall my FS2002 and take away all my addons and burn it. Then lock me up and throw away the key!!!!!!!GEEK!

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Your wife collects elephants?Wow, it must be true what they say about Americans having really big houses.

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Ashamed? What a weird question. It's like asking if you are ashamed of the movies you watch, or the brand of you lawnmower.I would definitely not buy any apparel with Microsoft Flight Simulator on it. I also wouldn't buy anything with any corporate logo because that's paying a company to advertise for them....a stupid thing to do.That brings up another question. Why do people actually spend money on a shirt with a Nike logo, or Chevy logo, etc? Seems kind of dorky to me.Having said that, if Microsoft gave me a free t-shirt, I would wear it because it has utility value. But I would never buy a piece of promotional clothing. That's paying a company for the privilege (?!? :-lol) of advertising for them.

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That seems a bit dramatic- what is to say you are not training for the real thing? Do people laugh at those who sit in real simulators and call out emergency procedures, etc.Now I know most of us aren't training for the real thing nor is it "legal" to use FS as an offical training tool, but my oh my I think I would have dumped her in this case...

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