Does anybody have a real flight plan from BIKF to EIDW any jet aircraft will do.ThanksNebojsa

Hi Nebojsa,I couldn't find any real world flightplan for BIKF-EIDW, but you might want to try this route:BIKF-EIDW B752/M TTL_EET/0148M080F370 DCT KEF DCT BREKI DCT 60N015W DCT MIMKU/N0459F370 UP6 MORAG UL18 NAVAN DCT DINIL DCTCheers,http://home.planet.nl/~duijn181/cu2/koen.jpg

Thanks, KoenNebojsa

Hi KoenI am flying the PMDG 700 and trying to master the flight planning -would it be possible to give a simple explanation of the component parts of this plan.I think it would help me a lot. Thanks.Bernie Lonnen

Hi Koen,EDIT: I should have said, " Hi Bernie," :-)Since no one else has responded, I will give it a shot! :-)BIKF-EIDW B752/M TTL_EET/0148Flight plan is for Reykjavik to Dublin, Aircraft Type is B757-200, Medium Wake Turbulence, Total Estimated Enroute Time is 148 minutesM080F370 DCT KEF DCT BREKI DCT 60N015W DCT MIMKU/N0459F370 UP6 MORAG UL18 NAVAN DCT DINIL DCTCruise Level is FL370 @ Mach .80M, routing is Direct to KEF VOR, Direct to BREKI Intersection, Direct to Waypoint at Lat 60 North, 15 West(inserted to compensate for lack of navaids when flying over oceans), Direct MIMKU Intersection, reaching CRZ Level, 45KTS Headwind at FL370(N(egative), indicates Headwind, P(lus), indicates Tailwind), from MIMKU routing is via Airway UP6 to MORAG, thence via Airway UL18 to NAVAN Intersection, Direct to DINIL Intersection, Direct...???The flight plan is cut off at this point :-(. I can't get to FSBuild right now, but if you wish, I could build a complete flight plan for you once I get home?I may need to be contradicted(? :-)) on some points of interpretation above, but I believe this is largely correct.Also, take a look at the FSBuild site for more info on reading flight plans:http://www.fsbuild.com/Near bottom right, you will find Library, Documents. Select document on Domestic Flight Planning.BR,Frank

Hello Frank,the "translation" is generally speaking correct, but there are a few points I don't agree with ;)> M080F370 DCT KEF DCT BREKI DCT 60N015W DCT MIMKU/N0459F370 UP6> MORAG UL18 NAVAN DCT DINIL DCT> (...)> reaching CRZ Level, 45KTS Headwind at FL370(N(egative), indicates> Headwind, P(lus), indicates Tailwind), The "N0459F370" part isn't related to winds, it simply indicates a change in speed (note that M080 becomes N0459), or to say it better a change in the speed unit that is used.I believe (but I hope someone else could be more precise on this) that this is due to the fact that MIMKU is the NAT airspace exit point. Before MIMKU, the "Mach number" separation technique may be applied, so it is vital to include the CRZ mach number. To the "real" planners, please correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm not 100% sure of this ;)> Direct to DINIL Intersection, Direct...???> The flight plan is cut off at this point :-(Actually it's simply the end of it ;) DINIL is an IAF for all EIDW approaches.Please not that I don't want to criticise your post in any way, I'm just pointing out some aspects of it I didn't really understand/agree with. You have been as helpful as you can by posting the entire "translation", and that's all that matters.Cheers,

Hi Nicola,Always glad to be corrected! :-). I was doing this at work(tut!, tut!), and couldn't look anything up. See below for my responses.>The "N0459F370" part isn't related to winds, it simply>indicates a change in speed (note that M080 becomes N0459), or>to say it better a change in the speed unit that is used.>I believe (but I hope someone else could be more precise on>this) that this is due to the fact that MIMKU is the NAT>airspace exit point. Before MIMKU, the "Mach number">separation technique may be applied, so it is vital to include>the CRZ mach number. To the "real" planners, please correct me>if I'm wrong, because I'm not 100% sure of this ;)----------------I see I missed out on a digit there('9'). I don't think any aircraft would survive a 459 kts wind!!Of course you must be right, Nicola. I don't understand your explanation, though? Is 459 the ground speed? Surely, IAS would be misleading at flight levels?By the way, what does the N in N0459 stand for? ---------------->> Direct to DINIL Intersection, Direct...???>> The flight plan is cut off at this point :-(>>Actually it's simply the end of it ;) DINIL is an IAF for all>EIDW approaches.----------------Oh, right! :-). As I said, I couldn't check the routing visually, but wouldn't you expect the destination airport to be included in the flight plan to prevent this kind of misunderstanding? Any applicable STAR/IAP could be added later(I mean, in flight, on receiving instructions from ATC).----------------Thanks for responding. I really enjoy improving my knowledge!BR,Frank

Hi again,> Of course you must be right, Nicola. I don't understand your> explanation, though? Is 459 the ground speed? Surely, IAS> would be misleading at flight levels?>> By the way, what does the N in N0459 stand for? That's not IAS indeed, that's the planned TAS, in knots. Good question about what the "N" actually stands for Could be French for "noeuds" (knots), but I'm not sure at all.> but wouldn't you expect the destination airport to> be included in the flight plan to prevent this kind of> misunderstanding? Any applicable STAR/IAP could be added> later(I mean, in flight, on receiving instructions from ATC).The destination airport is included in normal flightplans, such as this one:(FPL-BAW8088-IS -B734/M-SRWY/C -EGKK1745 -N0441F320 KENET2M KENET/N0440F360 UL9 STU UM17 VATRY VATRY1T -EIDW0045 EGGP-EET/EGTT0009 EISN0039 REG/ DOF/ OPR/BAW RVR/200 RMK/TCAS)and Koen has included it at the beginning of his routing ;) In the case above, the STAR is already indicated, because the planners already knew the EIDW landing runway, and therefore chose the VATRY1T arrival.Now, I'm waiting to be corrected by real dispatchers :-hah Cheers,Nicola

Most of that is correct NicolaOften times the Dispatchers will look at the METARs and TAFs and try and make an educated guess as to which runway, and STAR is in use.Over here in North America, that isn't much of a problem, because the STARs aren't for specific runways (same with the SIDs).I know for a fact that on the Air Canada company flightplans, the "probable runway" and SID is included, however these aren't included on the flightplan filed with Air Traffic Control. In either case, SIDs are never filed, rather assigned by ATC.EIDW0045 EGGP- As another note, the alternate airport here is EGGP.Ian

Thanks for you message, Ian.It is interesting to see that SIDs/STARs are filed in some countries (eg. the UK) and not mentioned at all in others (Italy for example).Lazy dispatchers down here maybe? :-hah Just kidding of course, I wish I had 10% of their knowledge ;-) Cheers,