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I'm very curious if the aircraft includes them? The (real) Dash 8 is one of my favorite aircraft to fly in as a pax, as it's one of the few where you can see everything from gear deployment/retraction to the props and control surface movements.-John

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Hi JohnThey're not included but what a stunning plane anyway!RegardsToni.

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No wing views John :( but a stunning aircraft you won't mis it I'll love this one... :-)Andr

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I agree about the aircraft...very stunning shots from what I've seen. Some of the most photoreal around!

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hi Johnhave to agree..PSS Dash 8 is amazing..love the VC with the moving wipers.paint jobs are really good as well.anything by PSS is a must have ,in my opinion. best wishes steve

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Why do so few developers provide dynamic wing displays? It would surely be the icing on the cake onm what is a fine product.

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Why do so few developers provide dynamic wing displays? It would surely be the icing on the cake onm what is a fine productI'd say the icing on the cake would be to be able to read the guages better ;-)Not sure what the big deal is with wing displays? I guess they feel as I do, that you should be flying the plane not looking at nice wing display's ;-)

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"I guess they feel as I do, that you should be flying the plane not looking at nice wing display's"That's the beauty of a flight simulator....it not only simulates flying, but it also simulates flight. Many users enjoy flying from a pax perspective. I've easily logged over one million miles as a pax. I've logged fewer than 200 as a pilot, and that was almost twenty years ago. While I do fly FS, I often run it to enjoy the ride. No user, both of us included, should tell others how FS should be used....What's heartening is that for every developer excluding these views, more and more are including them. Contrary to popular belief, they don't harm framerates (and I deal with a P3/800), and inclusion of them doesn't somehow eliminate virtual cockpts. In both FSDS and GMAX, great aircraft with V/C's and virtual external surface views have been released. But there will always be developers that release products based on what they believe customers should be doing with the sim. Sorry to say, the hour or two extra work will lose them business. I think the PSS Dash-8 looks great, so does the Flight 1 DC9--and I hope they succeed--they have certainly earned it. But I'll wait for A/C, payware (like Ariane's) or freeware (like Rick's Gulfstream, or the coming FFG 737NG) that simulate all environments, both pilot and pax....

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John I'll agree with you regarding the wing view and since I'll can fly every plane virtual upside down why not the view :-lol...But with respect to the dash 8 it's a real beauty and for me personally the best payware add-on plane for FS2002 up until now :-)Just did a flight EHAM > EDDK with activeSky wxRe and that was an almost real experience for me :-)So of course it's your choice John and I for one are not going to argue that, but leaving this plane on the virtual shelve for missing a wing view...If you need some more info or screenshots let me know, willing to share knowledge/experience.... Great contribution to my hobby...Andr

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"but leaving this plane on the virtual shelve for missing a wing view..."It's not only that, but also a budget issue. As a husband, father with a mortgage, car payment, etc....I spend my entertainment money very frugally--rarely more than $50-60 a year related to FS. This year I went all out--Flight 1 421, DF Cardinal, and the Ariane 737. It means I sometimes have to pick and choose between projects. For my money, if I have do decide between a project that does what I enjoy vs. one that has just the "looks", I'll go for what I enjoy. I rarely fly from exterior view, although I appreciate the PSS aircraft for the art that it is. As for cockpit drill, I've never been one for that. I spend all day dealing with systems and drills--don't want that to be my entertainment too. As for the PSS shots--keep 'em coming in.... It's a 'beaut, and I hope it makes many simmers happy.... Maybe in a revision, they can add the internal views that are so interesting in the Dash 8....

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JohnI believe it was Graham who suggested that although wing views aren't part of the PSS package, someone is bound to create them and share that creation with the community. (If it wasn't Graham, sorry and full credit to the guy who did say it).Surely that's one of the great things about a community like this - PSS have released an excellent piece of work that represents state-of-the-art as well as value for money, but they couldn't have included every single bell and whistle on everyone's wish list. No developer (commercial or freeware) could.But at least they're not going to try and stop someone talented from further enhancing the planes by creating those views for those, like yourself, who want them and sharing those views if they want to. So come on, talented designers - get creating!!!Toni.

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You can't create dynamic wing views without access to the source gmax files. Static bitmaps are a poor substitute, and those are the only views the freeware community can create. -John

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Those are great planes John C421 and DF737 :-)Will post some screenshots in the correct forum here at avsim :-)Wanted only to point out that this one is really great also the sounds played on quality hardware, Mike did a great job :-)By the way John you own also the Cardinal? (great ga plane :-))Great service also from DF with the RG update....Andr

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I love the Cardinal. The RG update was an early Christmas gift I never would have expected. And seemingly minor changes were made that didn't matter much to some, but made a huge difference for me. One thing I fear is that add-on development may slow, with another version of FS possibly in the works. I hope not--after the new year, I'd like to get at least two more upgrades, along with FSDS 2.-John

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ERM, but if you deal with a P3-800, your computer won't be able to handle the model. My P4-1700 machine has to pause for about a minute to allow for swapping when switching to VC or external view. Even then, I get about 14FPS.

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I've never had issues--many argue that the Flight1's 421 brings systems to their knees, but I've compensated by lowering other sliders to maximize my enjoyment of the aircraft and scenery. With reflections off, I get 23-25 fps in external view on the F1 421, and I get 15 fps or so w/reflections on. Since I don't fly by external view, I don't mind the lower fps. If I chose the Dash-8, I am sure I would have no issues that'd make me regret the decision. As for cockpit views, I only get low fps coming into the "gated" airports like LAX, ATL, etc.... Then I get around 15, 16 fps. I compromise vs. my cpu by keeping AI low, and Autogen off in the flight levels and normal for bush or G/A flying. Leaving ground shadows off and A/C reflections off helps as well. For V/C's, I lower gauge quality. You open up an interesting thought though--how have others with lower end cpu's fared, and what have they sacrificed to enjoy the aircraft?

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I can speak to that. I have a 667 MHz celeron overclocked to 950 Mhz, with 512 MB of RAM. When I first installed the PSS dash, my fps were poor, arround 5 - 6 in an airport. Then I realized that I was running FS at 1600 x 1200 screen res. I resized to 1024 x 786, and now I'm getting 10+ fps in airports, and upwards of 14 fps in the air which is pretty good (for me). At the lower resolution the PSS dash-8 still looks very sharp, so I am now quite happy with it.

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I should add that I have my autogen at medium, and my terrain mesh and terrain texture at high, and I am using ActiveSky wxRE with cloud density at 100%, so my clouds are quite detailed.

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>ERM, but if you deal with a P3-800, your computer won't be >able to handle the model. My P4-1700 machine has to pause >for about a minute to allow for swapping when switching to >VC or external view. Even then, I get about 14FPS. My PII 467, with an 8 MB TNT Vanta card may take a few seconds to texture a spot view. Otherwise, I have no '1 minute pauses' when switching to a VC or spot view. Ron

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To those who say you should be looking forwards and not across the wing whilst flying - I find its fun to land the plane and then do a replay to see how it would have looked for the passenger. Its also fun to peek out across the wing in the early stages of the descent and whilst in the cruise.As one of the respondants pointed out a wing view is only a wing view if its dynamic. I would appeal to the many highly talented developers out there to include dynamic wing views wherever possible. Best regards, Andy (EGNX)

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Well, part of my problem is that I can't seem to live without AutoGen, and usually set it to the 'Very Dense' setting. Once, just to see, I moved the slider all the way down to 'Sparse,' and got about 60 FPS, unlimited.

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