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Multiple display problem

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Would really appreciate quidance. My system is:Video accelerator: Radeon 9250 128MB (AGP with VGA,DVI and TV outlets)Windows 98SE (No service packs uploaded)MS FS 2004I attached a second monitor to the DVI output of this card. This is supposed to be a good configuration. {Control Panel}/{System}/{Device Manager}/{Display Adaptors} is duly showing both a Radeon 9250 and a Radeon 9250 secondary. My problem is that both monitors appear to be receiving identical output. When I click on the "1" on the monitor icon in {Control Panel}/{Display}/{Settings} I see a "1" on both monitors. Clicking on "2" has no effect and appears on neither monitor.I have ensured that both monitors are enabled. Tried everything I can think of including uninstaling ATI drivers and re-installing. Also,have not been able to drivers that are more recent than those already installed (3-Nov-2004)I hope I am doing something stupid. I really want to get FS Navigator onto a second monitor.

It has been a while since I've configured a multimonitor set up, but as I ecall, all you must do is go to Display Properties and select the Settings tab. Insure that "Extend my Windows desktop onto this monitor" is checked for each of the monitors. R-

Hi,Under Display Properties/Settings do you have 2 monitors showing?If you highlight monitor 2 is the box Extend my Windows desktop onto this monitor checked On?Hope this helps,Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/Active Sky V6 Development TeamActive Sky V6 Proud SupporterHiFi Beta TeamRadar Contact Supporter

Yes, "Extend my Windows desktop onto this monitor" is checked.

Yes, "Extend my Windows desktop onto this monitor" is checked.

Somewhere burried in the display settings for your video card is a setting for how to handle the second monitor. Options are usually Clone (ie duplicate, which I believe is what yours is set to), Span (which make it like one big monitor for both screens) and Dual (which is the one you are after - different desktops on each monitor). Try and find this setting and change it to Dual, or whatever equivalent name your card may name it.Gary

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Thanks for trying to help me. However, I have looked again at all the settings and options and believe that they are already correct. The current setup is behaving as though I had set up for clone operation. But I have not done that. I have followed the instructions and have ticked the second monitor to "extended desktop". Still it will not stop behaving like a clone. It is very strange.

If the settings are already correct you should not be still getting Clone View.Gary's reply was exactly as I would have replied.The main question to ask is have you looked for and found an option in your Graphics Card View setup which gives you the choice of:1. Span View2. Clone View3. Dual ViewIf the answer is YES what did you set it to?If the answer is NO then you must look for it again.Mine was set by default to Clone so I had to change it to Dual.P

My graphics card setup process does not work quite like that. There is no Span or Dual View option. There is an option to have the secondary display operate as an 'extended display' or not. I have clicked and slected this option. Not clicking it leads to the clone arrangement. However, as I have mentioned, i am getting the clone effect whether I click the 'extended display' or not.I am beginning to wonder if Windows 98 actually supports extended display if there are not actually two separate video cards. I will try searching Microsoft for some answers. So far, I have not managed to get any help from the ATI (Radeon) site.Thanks again for trying to help me and any further ideas will be most appreciated as I am still stuck.

I have never seen a setup that doesn't have these three options so without that there is not more I can add. Rest assured that Windows 98 fully supports multi-monitors and, in my experience, with a lot more tolerance than XP. I have 4 monitors in my home cockpit which runs on Win98 (the first edition, not SE). Two monitors run off the main card which is an nVidia 6600GT and the other two are connected to two other separate PCI cards.I certainly have never had the slightest problem with this setup which also worked flawlessly with previous MSFS's and various older generation cards.Pay a visit to the link below for further info on multi-monitors. You can check the database to see if anyone else is using your card.http://www.realtimesoft.com/multimon/P

Many thanks for your very helpful reply.I went to that very interesting link. I noted with interest that "Recent PCI video cards usually work fine as secondary, but some configurations might not work. Nvidia and Matrox cards usually work well, ATI is a bit less reliable. You should research your desired configuration in the compatibility database before purchasing."I have searched the database and unfortunately it does not include any information about Windows-98/Radeon 9250.I am getting suspicious after reading the Windows 98 help page which says, "All of the video adapters that are used in a computer with multiple-display support must be PCI or AGP devices that use multiple-display-enabled video adapter drivers THAT ARE INCLUDED WITH WINDOWS 98." And it goes on to give a list of adaptors and the Radeon 9250 is NOT in that list.As another attempt, I have submitted a Ticket with Support at ATI giving them all the information. In the meantime I will read everything I can from that link.Many thanks again. All this support is very gratifying.Peter

The only other thing I can think of is that your video card does not support dual monitor. I had a Geforce 3 back in the old days that had VGA and DVI out and I got all excited that I could run two independent monitors, but the display properties only gave me the option to clone. Soon got rid of that Geforce 3.Gary

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Unfortunately, I am beginning to think you are right. But I think it is a combination of Windows 98 and the Radeon 9250 card that is the problem. I suspect that Windows 98 and nVidia would work or Windows XP and Radeon 9250, but not my blessed combination.

"I am getting suspicious after reading the Windows 98 help page which says, "All of the video adapters that are used in a computer with multiple-display support must be PCI or AGP devices that use multiple-display-enabled video adapter drivers THAT ARE INCLUDED WITH WINDOWS 98." And it goes on to give a list of adaptors and the Radeon 9250 is NOT in that list."You can ignore that last bit, "THAT ARE INCLUDED WITH WINDOWS 98." and also the fact that the 9250 is not mentioned in the list. It goes back 8 years. Card manufacturers subsequently released vast numbers of drivers that did support multi-mon in Win98 but which, obviously, are not included in the Win98 CD. Bear in mind that that statement was made when Win98 was introduced and also that was in the days when you needed two cards to have multi-mon. AFAIK, there were hardly any cards then with two outputs, indeed if any at all. I'm sure the 9250 wasn't even a twinkle in ATI's eye at that time. Nor was the many nVidia variations produced since which have drivers suitable for multi-mon and work perfectly in Win98. In fact, if that statement was true I, and many more, would never have been able to use multi-mon in Win98 because NONE of my drivers for my cards current and previous "are included with Win98".I know this doesn't solve your problem but I wanted to let you know that your answer lies elsewhere than in that statement. It may well be that the 9250 won't give you multi-mon no matter what you do. ATI cards have in the past presented some problems with multi-mon. A friend of mine has it in writing from ATI that "ATI graphics cards are not designed to work with a second card, even another ATI card" but, of course some geniuses out there have gone and done it so even the manufacturer can be proved wrong!!!In your case you have only the one card so I am really puzzled as to why it doesn't work as you desire. Sorry I can't be more helpful but without the three View options I can't see any way around it.P

Hi,Got to ask: Can you drag secondary windows over to monitor 2?Hope this helps,Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/Active Sky V6 Development TeamActive Sky V6 Proud SupporterHiFi Beta TeamRadar Contact Supporter

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