I'm getting tired of worrying about my CPU temps - usually in the 60 - 68c range in FS9 (yes, FS9), well shy of TJMax, I know -- but I've been battling CTDs and OOMs the last month or so and think it's time I try liquid cooling. I've been to FrozenCpu.com and it seems they have the best stuff for sure, and I liked the fact that they have a LC heat sink for my ATI card, but I really just want a simple, all in one system for my first venture into this area, and don't want to worry that I've ordered all the right parts, etc.Would you guys give me some "recommendations/don't forget about/complete shopping list" based on your past experience and knowledge or research? How do you folks feel about this one from Thermaltake: << http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...29140&CatId=499 >>I'm in the process of moving my rig to XP 64 bit, have recently replaced my RAM with some Corsair, and have made or tried most of the tweaks you guys have recommended.As always, thanks for your help.

I will try and respond when I get back from work. I'm only home for a few minutes and that isn't enough time to write anything meaningful. lol

Thanks, Shane. I look forward to it. As an addendum to my original post, I'm taking a pass on the system in my original post -- looks like the radiator is pretty big.

Np! As a side note, it's been about a year since I installed mine, so there might be a few variations in equipment (though not much). Coincidentally, you made a good choice. Do not waste your money on that Thermaltake watercooling system. There is better equipment out there. Will it cost more? Yes. But the question is if you want a good watercooling system, or one that works about as well as a "decent" aircooling setup. Now, if it sounds like I am trying to dissuade you from watercooling, it is because I am. In all honesty, for what you would like to do, if I read your post correctly, is cool your system ad get rid of OOM errors. All you need to accomplsih this is a good HSF and a 64-bit OS. Watercooling can be expensive and time consuming. Do I like watercooling? Heck yeah! Will I watercool my next build? Probably not. In my opinion, It just isn't "that" necessary any longer with the way these E8XXX series processors are performing on air. Watercooling can be very quiet though. My computer probably sounds like 1x 80mm fan (no, not a Vantec Tornado) going...it is that quiet. But, I would put up with a bit more noise if I didn't have to clean this watercooling loop soon *Sighs*.Things to remember....First, there are a few things to think about before watercooling...1. The initial cost is usually not too "cheap". Most watercooling "kits" are of fairly low quality. Now, by "low", I don't mean they won't cool your system, but rather there are much better options out there. Many of these kits may not do much better than air. These "kits" play to the beginner, when, in all actuality, it does not take much to learn to set up a watercooling system. Cost can be relatively-not-to-painful to overboard depending on what you are doing or trying to do. Since you are looking at cooling an E8500, you really need look no further than air. Some aircooling solutions out today are very effective, much cheaper than watercooling, and MUCH easier to setup. With regards to watercooling, you have to factor in a waterblock (or waterblocks depending on what you wat to watercool), a radiator (or two), a pump, a reservoir (or T-line), tubing (I prefer Tygon), clamps (or zip-ties. zip-ties have less of a chance of cutting the tubing), watercooling liquid, a good supply of distilled water (if you use tap water you are screwed), and.......time. A cpu fan will take about 5 min. to install. A watercooling system will take a MINIMUM of 24 hours to get going (You have to test your loop. I actually test mine for longer than 24 hours).2. The MOST difficult part of watercooling is coming to terms with the fact that you are about to run water through a piece of machinery that is, A) Expensive and :( Dangerous when wet! LOL. Although I am playing it off as "funny" and "no big deal", it is very much not funny and IS a big deal. However, keep in mind that when you follow precautions and test your "Loop" (your watercooling setup) properly, it can be VERY safe. The tubing and equipment used in watercooling is not some cheap stuff has that been thrown together. 3. Space. Watercooling setups can take up space inside your case (unless you plan to mount most items externally which can add in other obstacles).Having said all that, since you mentioned that you would like to stick with a kit for your first venture into watercooling, there are only a few I would recommend. Earlier, I should not have put a generalization on "watercooling kits". In fact there are some kits out there that are a collection of custom parts put together by experience watercooling enthusiasts and truely represent the best bang-for-your-buck.Here is my top pick:The online store? Petra's Tech Shop. Petra's is pretty much the ONLY place I will buy watercooling equipment from. The guy who runs the shop is easily one of the nicest people I have ever met and the customer service is phenomanal (much better than my spelling could ever hope to be). The Kit? Well, it really depends on what you are looking to cool. If it is just the processor, than I would recommend the CoolKit Basic - Rev.2 or the CoolKit Elite - Rev.2. Both kits come with quality components and provide good watercooling setups for your cpu. If I were to buy a kit, one of Petra's would be the one I would get. They are basically the parts you would buy seperately (for the most part) only all together to eliminate some of the confusion. I hope this helps a little. Do a search on Google for the best way to actually set up your system. It is ot that difficult but it takes attention to detail. Let me know if you have ay specific questions. To really break everything down with regards to watercoolig would take pages ad pages and pages. hehe :)

Thank you, Shane! I'm in the process of moving to XP 64, so I think I'm going to wait on the water cooling -- and in no small due to your post and advice. I just don't think i should worry about it so much right now.My system has really settled down now that I've stopped using those 3 gb memory switch and single core priority tweaks, so I'm going to focus on moving over to the 64 bit OS FIRST.Thank for all of your time and info -- it was a tremendous help. I'm sure you'll be hearing from me soon.

Np, Chuck! Anytime.