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Please report bugs for the post-patch 4 TinMouse II panel in this thread.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile


Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

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Hmm the patch TM2_v1_Patch4.zip isn't showing up when I search for it.

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Guest Bill Hinton

With the Main panel showing and I use the Pushback feature (Shift+P) and select 2 for direction, the aircraft does not turn. I discovered that the aircraft would turn when the Main panel was not showing after pressing the "W" key. Not really a bug, I suppose, just an anomaly.

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This is a common issue with advanced panels. The panel gauges are sending a steady stream of commands to FS using FSUIPC and trigger_key_event calls. The pushback turn requires that the SHIFT-P and the 2 be received as sequential command inputs...if the panel sends another keystroke or command in the period between typing the SHIFT-P and the 2, it interrupts the sequence.Best bet is to use a pushback gauge that cues up both parts of the PB turn command and sends them together to FS in one call. I think Rob Barendregt's PB gauge does that.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile


Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

System1 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS @ 6.0GHz, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@30Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU, 1.2Gbps internet
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys2 (MSFS/XPlane): i9-10900K @ 5.1GHz, 32GB 3600/15, nVidia RTX4090FE, Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, EVGA 1000P2
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, 2x TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Portable Sys3 (P3Dv4/FSX/DCS): i9-9900K @ 5.0 Ghz, Noctua NH-D15, 32GB 3200/16, EVGA RTX3090, Dell S2417DG 24" GSync
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Guest ido_r

hmmm I still have the horn alarm when aligning the INS.I have it making a single "bip" each time I open a new window and a continues biping when I open the overhead. this time I didn't even use AS6...

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Try opening the doors, or possibly cycling the mode switch on the press controller from AUTO to STBY and back.There may still be a gremlin in there, but it's gonna be a few weeks before I can look at it again.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile


Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

System1 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS @ 6.0GHz, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@30Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU, 1.2Gbps internet
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys2 (MSFS/XPlane): i9-10900K @ 5.1GHz, 32GB 3600/15, nVidia RTX4090FE, Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, EVGA 1000P2
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, 2x TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Portable Sys3 (P3Dv4/FSX/DCS): i9-9900K @ 5.0 Ghz, Noctua NH-D15, 32GB 3200/16, EVGA RTX3090, Dell S2417DG 24" GSync
Corsair RM850x PSU, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog HOTAS, Coolermaster HAF XB case

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hallo, i got some fuel related problems.1) i'm unable to board fuel with "boeing 737 fuel planner" by Milan Půta.this freeware addon uses FSUIPC to get the job done and was working great with the original probst panel.2) sometimes, during the pre flight checks, system turn on, ins alignment process or cockpit general preparation (don't know exactly at wich point), the fuel boarded with the FS menu will reset to the early aircraft loading state, and i have to re-board it.3) during flight, left tank and right tank levels will decrease at a different rate, right is faster. The settings in the OH panel are the same and the "size" of both tank in the aircraft.cfg are the same. This may be not a bug.And please, somebody explain me how to nav with CIVA using the RAD/NAV switch placed below the HSI. Simply it don't work to me!I'm able to nav only in "the old way" using the NavMode switch that come with CIVA, "plugging" the CIVA itself to the heading bug.regards alex

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>hallo, i got some fuel related problems.>1) i'm unable to board fuel with "boeing 737 fuel planner" by>Milan Půta.>this freeware addon uses FSUIPC to get the job done and was>working great with the original probst panel.The TinMouse II also uses FSUIPC to implement the fuel system, and hence compatibility with another external program that affects fuel state may be adversely affected. You might try putting the sim in pause mode prior to running the fuel planner, then take it off pause after loading fuel with the planner.>2) sometimes, during the pre flight checks, system turn on,>ins alignment process or cockpit general preparation (don't>know exactly at wich point), the fuel boarded with the FS menu>will reset to the early aircraft loading state, and i have to>re-board it. Yes, if you are altering fuel load with an external program, no guarantees it'll work right.>3) during flight, left tank and right tank levels will>decrease at a different rate, right is faster. The settings in>the OH panel are the same and the "size" of both tank in the>aircraft.cfg are the same. This may be not a bug.See the readme. There is an asymmetric feed situation when climbing with center tank quantity below 2000 lbs. This is a feature, not a bug...the real jet does this as well.>>And please, somebody explain me how to nav with CIVA using the>RAD/NAV switch placed below the HSI. Simply it don't work to>me!>I'm able to nav only in "the old way" using the NavMode switch>that come with CIVA, "plugging" the CIVA itself to the>heading bug.The RAD/NAV switch uses the same FSUIPC control as the CIVA navmode switch. Having both installed is not likely to produce good results.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile


Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

System1 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS @ 6.0GHz, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@30Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU, 1.2Gbps internet
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys2 (MSFS/XPlane): i9-10900K @ 5.1GHz, 32GB 3600/15, nVidia RTX4090FE, Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, EVGA 1000P2
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, 2x TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Portable Sys3 (P3Dv4/FSX/DCS): i9-9900K @ 5.0 Ghz, Noctua NH-D15, 32GB 3200/16, EVGA RTX3090, Dell S2417DG 24" GSync
Corsair RM850x PSU, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog HOTAS, Coolermaster HAF XB case

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Guest Bill Hinton

Thanks for the info, Bob."This is a common issue with advanced panels. The panel gauges are sending a steady stream of commands to FS using FSUIPC and trigger_key_event calls."Is there any way that Panel Makers (Developers) can change such?

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>The TinMouse II also uses FSUIPC to implement the fuel system, and >hence compatibility with another external program that affects fuel >state may be adversely affected. You might try putting the sim in pause >mode prior to running the fuel planner, then take it off pause after >loading fuel with the planner.OK i will start to use fuel charts...>Yes, if you are altering fuel load with an external program, no >guarantees it'll work right.No, i'm not altering the fuel load with an ext prog, because the previous FSUIPC related problem.>See the readme. There is an asymmetric feed situation when climbing >with center tank quantity below 2000 lbs. This is a feature, not a >bug...the real jet does this as well.OK, thanks, i had that feeling. I readed the readme but i missed this point, sorry.>The RAD/NAV switch uses the same FSUIPC control as the CIVA navmode >switch. Having both installed is not likely to produce good results.No, i don't try to use both gauges at the same time in the same config. I just added the CIVA default NAVMode switch to be able to fly my flightplan after having problems.Still not clear how to use your NAV/RAD gauge (alone). I don't see any change to the autopilot behaviour after clicking on it: no leg distance in the HSI and no correct heading assumed by the acft.I'm sure the flightplan is valid and the CIVA gauges are set up correctly. - I switched to NAV after the green light;- engines started; - taxi and takeoff;- star flown by radio inst.;- once on the leg, i switch the NAV/RAD to NAV position (the aspect of the gauge don't change) and set the HDG switch on the sperry.At this point the aircreft will start follow the heading bug on the HSI and NOT the INS leg (CIVA trk display say i'm flying away from the planned track)I checked with and without NAV mode selected on the sperry -> nothingI checked with and without HDG selected mode on the sperry -> nothingI miss something?Here a request:is possible to display on the same gauge (maybe with a coloured light) che civa DME updating status?regards alex

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Possible bug(don't know if it's just on my PC): When using hte hat-switch on my joystick and changing view's the panel sound, "buzzing" of the fans, go away.... Anyone else encounturing the problem? I only have it sometimes... Somtimes it's there sometime it's not... :/--------------------------------------------------------------------Fredrik Bachke

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