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Climbing to max ceiling

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Hi guys.I have a question.If you want to climb as climb as high as possible, will you be able to get a little higher by flying into the wind? Will the air flow increase around the wings thus delaying the point of stall?I'm mainly thinking about jets.

Nope you won't. Since your relative speed to the air doesn't change with wind, you will neither be faster nor get higher. Anyways, ceiling is not only a thing of 'can I be fast enough to gain more altitude', since for conventional planes your lowest possible speed and highest possible speed will get closer up to the point where the two lines on the corresponding graph intersect... So at that point (absolute ceiling), you will be to slow to fly (stall) and too fast to not break the plane (supersonic flow).If you mean a momenary change in wind speed (gusts) it still won't change much I guess. If you are around ceiling altitude and have a gust with increasing headwind you will probably exceed MMO. Decreasing headwind will get you into excess flow seperation (VS) pretty quick. Either way is not really convenient to gain more altitude. :(To be more precise about the two speeds: Let's say you have a certain stall speed xxx KIAS. At around sea level the corresponding TAS will be about the same. At altitude though (FL xxx...) the TAS will be much higher.At the same time, speed of sound decreases with temperature, hence with altitude. Think Mach number equals TAS / speed of sound: Now you climb further, and your stall TAS increases all the time, while stall IAS remains about the same obviously. At some point you will have reached MCRIT at your stall speed. Say MCRIT is 0.7, assume speed of sound 500 knots at altitude (numbers not necessarily realistic). So the fastest TAS you may have up there is 350 knots (350/500=0.7). Unfortunately your stall TAS will reach 350 knots if you climb high enough (assume a/c has enough power). That is where you will get into trouble.Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

thank you very much for your answer.

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