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I'm with you 100% :) We are indebted to the freeware groups, BUT there is no point in raising the hopes of so many ... and then fading away .............. :-hmmm Shouldn't they have quietly worked on the plane, and, when it's completed, announce its imminent release? Isn't that method so much better? :) Here's why:A) The group wouldn't feel hassled into releasing something :) ... no nagging from forum members .... no pressure :)B) Everyone is happy :) The new plane would be a surprise, rather than a dragged out, perplexing affair ;)Project Airbus is another curious topic for me! Why on Earth would they prohibit repaints of their A320? I'll be devastatingly frank here .... that policy is utterly ridiculous! :-mad Who in their right mind would obstruct repaints? :( ... what is the purpose of such a prohibition? Absolutely Crazy! :( The A320 V1 is fine ... user repaints would have made a very nice stopgap over the past 11 months!!!! :-roll Bizarre :(

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Hey guys!Not that I wouldn't anyways, but I will play devils advocate here.The aircraft is free! I understand being frustrated with wanting something badly, but it never materializes, but I think you are a little harsh here. This post, in a small way, is the reason freeware designers are going the way of the donisaur.Nothing personal, but... Give them a break, its freeware, and if they decide to never release it, you lost nothing.Flame away!

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Larry--nothing to flame in your post, but a comment...Normally, I side on the side of freeware....But I feel in this case, this frustration is warranted. I was active in CSI's forums telling everyone to wait...it is freeware, after all, and the members of CSI have to make a living. But for what seems like the nastiness of a few, CSI has decided to ignore all of us who stood by it and became flamebait for a lot of the "are we there yet" kiddie crowd. I think we deserve some type of status update, especially since some of us took the time to examine the first model released and offer suggestions and tips.I sense a certain arrogance on CSI's part, and if this is all just a ploy so they can go payware, they will certainly see the wrath of the community. Or, if they were just out there to tease a little bit and rant a little bit, the same applies. I've taken a lot of flak for my freeware, and one email had by my count about three dozen expletives, simply because I didn't provide a link to Microsoft's site. If I had faded away because of junk like that, I would have deserved hearing the flak from those who've stood by and promoted my work. I do get paid for my freeware--paid in the form of the friendships I have today with many in the community.-John

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and Ci does it again:well said mate :-)

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My sympathy has all but evaporated. I guess I can understand being frustrated by the kids who demand release, but as I said before, they deserve to be treated as such...just children. If CSI is comprised of mature adults, surely they can understand that.Todd

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Well it's time for me to come out of the "cone of silence". I usually don't post, but I felt that I had to put my two cents in.Actually, I'm not surprised that CSI has delayed their A320 series. If I was to place a bet, I doubt the fltsim community will ever see the A320 series. Why?Well, I'm going to date myself here..but back in the old Project Freeware days when FS98 was flying, Jason had the fltsim community on a buzz with his new A310's. Every once in a while he would post a screenshot of his A310 and tell when it would be released. When the release day came..I would be checking all the flightsim sites for his aircraft only to discover it was delayed. This would go on every couple of months to the point where everyone gave up on expecting his A310. Actually I don't think Jason Brown ever released his A310. So we fast-forward to today and the same situation repeats itself. Now I understand that designers have lives, jobs and family and those things should come first before a hobby. However, when you continually make promises and then don't deliver, people become upset. So I will continue on with my flight simming, and if CSI releases the A320..great..if it doesn't..well then life goes on .That's my 2 cents;Sean Harvey(CYEG)

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Yes, but raising hope by a lot of flightsimmers for release, and than do nothing at all is not kind. It happens to much, i would say that there is hope for nothing. The PMDG group with the new NG 737 series is a good example for constantly delay a release, by saying "release will be soon" or "it will come shortly" etc, and than you have to wait 6 months before release. Best regards,

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hey Bella,why don't you announce a plane yourself,and show all these designers how it should be done?whiner.

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Forum is closed. Their MD-11's and 717's are gone forever. C'mon CSi, throw us a bone here!

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Its been like 6 mounths since they said they were going to realese it .But my piont is that if there still is stuff to do realese it as it is to make everybody happy andtake alot of pressure off there backs .then finish the reat of the work as v2.thant is my point

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This whole thread is yet another example of what the FS community has lowered itself to. The minute someone or some group posts screenshots of a project, everyone is screaming for release. "GIMME GIMME, I WANT IT NOW!" If it doesn't come fast enough, then we get threads like these.Again, some people feel it is their god given right to demand something at their beckoning whenever it suits them. This is why more and more freeware developers are disappearing by the day. When someone says "it's coming soon" or "we'll release soon when we finish it", it just isn't enough anymore. People are looking for download locations before the pics are finished loading. Freeware designers are not obligated to anyone for anything. These designs take time to complete for a multitude of reasons; personal lives, design setbacks etc. Yet somewhere, people got it into their heads that "we owe them". Speaking on behalf of our group and probably most others... we don't owe anyone ****!Your given preview shots of projects to show off the details and progress. The responses you give are the proverbial "pat on the shoulder" for a good job and or point out flaws that still need to be fixed. And as most know, some groups are known for taking a long time to release a new project and some not. But these days, its lost its meaning and everyone wants to turn it into a bashing thread and "when am "I" going to get it?"Then god forbid that a freeware group decides to jump to the "other runway" and go payware! That would be the highest sin in the FS community! But thats another story. It's message threads like these that make me wish I had a virtual hand that would reach out of YOUR computer and slap you folks silly. Go play with one of the hundreds of aircraft that you have installed on your computer. When the new "flavor of the week" comes out by any group or designer, whenever they see fit to release it and when they feel it's complete enough, then you'll have a new toy... and something new to complain about.My 2 cents worth.Mikehttp://sgair.net/mike/mike/mike_small.jpg

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The flightsim community has been spoiled by the hard-working efforts of the freeware groups. This has resulted in the situation we see today. The complexity of models/scenery and the quality of painting are taking more time to produce. To me, the preview shots only increase the problem as the designer/painter has to wade through all the "input" and is constantly changing the design instead of releasing the product as is. Imagine if Microsoft had to listen to all the input from everyone and redesign everything...we would still be flying FS5.1.So I say to the freeware designers, no more preview shots, and release when you feel your product is ready. If necessary, update your product along the way. If someone doesn't like the version of United airlines..then break out your paint program and make your own.That is what CSI was trying to do...but they jumped the gun with the preview shots and here we are in this mess today.Sean Harvey(CYEG)

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Sean, Mike --You have conveyed my feelings exactly! :-beerchug

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>When someone says "it's coming soon" It is really stupid to claim that something is "coming soon" if you know it is going to take at least another month. Just keep your mouth shut rather than make bogus claims. I don't know anything about CSI and who they are but it happend before that someone anounces some project and have no real intention to complete it (or knows chances of completing are very slim) - sort of enjoying temporary fame and headline 'grabbing'. I saw it happened too many times. My 2 cents worth.Michael J.http://www.reality-xp.com/community/nr/rsc/rxp-higher.jpg

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Just because someone says it's coming soon DOES NOT obligate them to any particular time frame! Where do you and others get this idea from!? Show me and the rest where in the dictionary the definiton of soon says one month, 6 months, 2 weeks etc!Give it a rest already! I'm not surprised at whats going on with CSI these days. Its because of all this GIMME GIMME GIMME mentality!Mikehttp://sgair.net/mike/mike/mike_small.jpg

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>Just because someone says it's coming soon DOES NOT obligate>them You really are having problems or did you even bother to read my post ? Where did I say it obligates them to anything ?. It obligates them to nothing. But surely it makes them look stupid. If you make stupid, unwarranted claims - you pay down the road when folks laugh at you and stop treating you seriously. This is life.Oh, btw, take your "GIMME" mentality somewhere else. I don't expect anything from freeware developers, I don't even keep track what is being "worked" on. If I ever download a freeware - it is most likely months after it becomes first available.Michael J.http://www.reality-xp.com/community/nr/rsc/rxp-higher.jpg

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>Yes, but raising hope by a lot of flightsimmers for release,>and than do nothing at all is not kind. It happens to much, i>would say that there is hope for nothing. The PMDG group with>the new NG 737 series is a good example for constantly delay a>release, by saying "release will be soon" or "it will come>shortly" etc, and than you have to wait 6 months before>release. >Best regards,That's because..............Request's for a more complete VCA more detailed VC cabinWing viewsThe request's just keep coming & coming, and they seem to somehow fulfill them. L.Adamson

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"If you make stupid, unwarranted claims"You don't get it Michael. How does saying something is coming soon justify an "unwarranted claim"? They claimed nothing. Coming soon could mean, coming by the next year or anything to that nature. In its simplest form, it just means that it's a work in progress, no time limits given. To the best of my knowledge, they didn't pinpoint a release date and royally screw up like another group did last year. They merely stated that it was a project coming... nearing completion.Yet there have been some that wanted it as soon as they saw it. Then there was the bashing over paint quality that I recall and things really got out of hand resulting in their forum closing down. This all boils down to stupid behaviour from a bunch of immature kids in the community. And sadly, these "kids" are not restricted to any particular age range/group.After all this debacle over CSI's attempt to (eventually-if ever) release their Airbus, they should decide to scrap it, it wouldn't come as no surprise to me. Then everybody can #### and moan that CSI "abandoned" the community and left everyone "hanging". Well if that were to happen... you were treated like crap, you would leave too. People are only capable of taking so much before there's a breaking point.Mikehttp://sgair.net/mike/mike/mike_small.jpg

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If memory serves me correct, the CSI guys made a number of specific time frames for release..which in my view shouldn't of been made. When these time frames came and went and nothing occured, then all the gimme people had an excuse to attack CSI. So in order to "calm" everyone down, CSI released more preview shots hoping to appease the gimme crowd. What happenned was that the gimme crowd in seeing these preview shots, wanted the products even more. It's an ugly cycle and the only way to break the cycle is to shut-down. I hope CSI eventually releases their A319, but my brain tells me that we'll never see this plane again.

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1. CSI released a "Beta" of thier A319 aircraft and said it was very close to completion.2. CSI DID IN FACT make statements containing time frames for the project.I'm not saying that attacking them is ok and justified but when you do the two things above, and especially the second one.....what do you expect?You can't make statements regarding release dates, not hold to them, not make any comments about pertaining to the "real" release date, close your forums, and then expect people to not question the group. IMHO, making these statements and then not sticking to them shows poor work ethic, freeware or not. It is common knowledge that you DON'T make release dates and then break them. You can't say, "we expect release to be very soon...probably within the next to weeks" and then watch as 2 months or whatever passes by and not expect some people to wonder what is going on...only to have thier questions pushed aside.I usually don't expect anything from anybody but I do expect freeware/payware groups to at least stand by thier claims and I don't think that is asking too much. If it is someones opinion that "standing by what you say" is asking too much then I can't help but question thier responsibility to thier fans/customers and this in turn causes the fans/customers to question that particular groups (or individuals) integrity.It is also my opinion that closing your forums down due to the few at the expense of the many is ridiculous. A true adult takes criticism from immature indivduals with a grain of salt...those who truely take it seriously (and personally) have quite a bit of growing up to do. Every major group whether it be POSKY, AFG, FFG or whoever knows that there will always be people out there you can't please no matter what, it's inescapable. If people come into your forums making a$$es out of themselves delete the post....don't try to "contain" the fire...put it out. Post a sticky at the top of your particular forum, "RELEASE DATE - UNKNOWN". If people keep coming into your forum asking the same "release date" question then just delete thier post, maybe one day they will build up the common sense to read from the "top-down" next time.I have nothing against CSI AT ALL, but I do think things could be (or could have been) handled a little bit better.Just my .02:)

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I think that all developers should hold their mouth shut until the product is finished. If I only recall a bit of history, how many freeware developers had announced a project and did not release it. Let's see: Project Freeware, Project Airbus, CSi... Ugh, it is funny that they have something in common. They were all developing A320!And nobody released one, although they all had full mouth of words about new projects.I take this for misleading of the flightsim community. Simply shut up if you can't release it or if you are not sure when you are able to release it!Many freeware groups should follow Oleksey Frolov and CIVA project. That was a wounderful example of releasin a freeware package. Oleksey said 15th in the month. And voila, it was on avsim on the fifteenth!! Also CIVA was bang on time! They were nicely quiet until they had something to show and to release.And surprisingly they have had almost no problems with annoying simmers.And now back to CSi. I think A319 is never going to be released. They already entered so called PA pattern without an exit. I hope I am wrong.AVSIM, please inform me if my if my language is to harsh. I will change it if necessairy.Regards, Nejc

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