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Increased MS multi monitor support for 2004? My eye !

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What a crock! Another outright MS lie. Still cannot undock successfully in full screen mode without undocked pieces from windowed mode flying back into the primary monitor and being hidden. The GPS might remain on a secondary monitor in full screen, but it cannot be moved then.I am not going to the AVSIM conference because of schedule conflicts but if I were, I'd take this issue to any MS representatives there and ask them what they plan to do about this because at this rate, I am going to keep FS2002 and give up 2004 much though I think 2004 is a vast visual improvement over 2002.JS

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So I'm not the only one who is deeply disappointed with the multi-monitor support? It's a shame, because radio panels and GPS on a second monitor really enhance the flying experience. This is an issue that really would deserve a patch. Hear that, MS?Just my 2c (EUR),VOlker :]

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I agree !They have totally stuffed up on this one.It worked perfectly in FS2002 so I can't understand why they have changed it!

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>>What a crock! Another outright MS lie. Still cannot undock>successfully in full screen mode without undocked pieces from>windowed mode flying back into the primary monitor and being>hidden. The GPS might remain on a secondary monitor in full>screen, but it cannot be moved then.>>I am not going to the AVSIM conference because of schedule>conflicts but if I were, I'd take this issue to any MS>representatives there and ask them what they plan to do about>this because at this rate, I am going to keep FS2002 and give>up 2004 much though I think 2004 is a vast visual improvement>over 2002.>>JSHear Hear JS,I don't actualy understand how they can get away with this, isn't this ''missrepresentation'' or ''false advertising'' at the very least, what about the old saying that a product should be fit for purpose and do exactly what the manufacturers say it should do. does anyone have a way or address to contact the FS people, not the main MS site, it's like a minefield and no one ever replies to you anyway, but I do feel strongly about this one myself as I too have been using multi-monitors for years now and was looking forward to this newer version as well as you people, perhaps Microshaft may be pressured into doing something about this,but I won't be holding my breath,my lungs arent baloons.their attitude seems to be one of....once we've had you're money you can get stuffed,Steve,

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Hi guys,I usually don't like strong language on internet forums, but I'm afraid I have to agree on this one. I'm VERY VERY DISAPPOINTED by the way undocking works in FS2004. I could even learn to live with the fact that you can only undock in windowed mode if the work-around offered a stable solution. But no, one "wrong" move and some or all are back on you main monitor. This simply is NO FUN.SHAME on MSFS!!!Leo Bakker

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Strange...Yes, I agree that it is a pain that you have to go to windowed mode to undock the GPS and radios to move them to the 2nd monitor, but mine do stay on the 2nd monitor after placing them there and going back to full screen mode.I can also move them around on the 2nd monitor and re-size them on the 2nd monitor, while in full screen mode.So I am wondering why you are unable to do so?However, I have to agree that I like the way FS2002 does it better.Scott

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Scott:I have no idea why I cannot do anything at all on the secondary monitor in full screen mode. Maybe because I have a single Ti-4600 card with dual monitor support? I don't know. Anyway the one thing we do know is that every PC runs differently so one cannot generalize. I am among a group of folks who cannot successfully undock in full screen mode. It is simply greyed out. I can undock in windows mode but when I hit full screen mode, the stuff on the secondary monitor vanishes. The GPS screen remains on the second monitor, oddly, but it is non functional and cannot be operated or moved at all.I dunno....JS

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When I set up my undocked windows on my 2 additional monitors in "windowed" mode (which is the only way you can undock the windows as undock is greyed out in full screen mode) and then switch to full screen mode I have to move all the windows around again and resize some of them to make them fit properly.When I switch back to "windowed" mode all the undocked windows come back onto the primary monitor.I am running a 21" monitor at a much higher resolution than my 2x 17" monitors. The 17" monitors also seem to do some sort of switching when I switch the 21" primary monitor into full screen mode.None of this used to happen in FS2002 and it is a MAJOR pain this is ocurring in FS2004.

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Paul:Ditto for me.It is immensely annoying.I wish somebody at MS would listen to this stuff or post that they are aware of this issue and working on it.JS

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I have no problem with the multiple monitor setup. The only problem I noticed is that the view on the 2nd monitor is a virtual cockpit view with no panel. When I kick it to full screen, it stays on the 2nd monitor. My framerate takes about a 40% hit, from 25 to 16. But when I move the sliders back & turn off autogen, they go back up to about 20. I have an Athalon 1100, 512M ram, Ti4200. I ran the 2nd monitor off the DVI video output. I don't use the 2nd monitor as it takes up too much room.Jim

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Hi, It is possible to get it all to work properly and stay that way. See my post at 135922 & amendment as reply 136217. I now have all the stock aircraft saved with their window positions. If I do happen across the situation where the extra windows appear on monitor 1 with Windowed mode then an "undocking" automatically sends them to monitor 2. Microsoft have to fix this "remembering" problem but the work around I use and posted becomes second nature and once you have the aircraft set up and saved with window positions it works similar to FS2002.YellowjackNSW, Oz

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Hmmm....I have a lowly Geforce 4MX 440 64MB card with two 17" monitors attached to it. I am running the Nvidia 45.23 drivers with the sim at ABOVENORMAL priority.The MX card has two VGA connectors on it. Does the Ti-4600 have one VGA and DVI (I think thats right) connector?Maybe that has something to do with it, who knows.Let's hope the multi-monitor issues get worked out for everyone over time.Good luck..Scott

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What I don't understand is that it worked perfectly in FS2002 and so how come they managed to goof up big time for FS2004?Since MS hardly ever listens to customer complaints I doubt very much they're going to do something about it. It will probably be one of the selling features of FS2006 to get something back that we had all along before FS2004.Leo Bakker

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Yeah, I thought it was pretty ironic, too. Does anyone know what Microsoft means by this so-called "improved multi-monitor support"?Ryan-Flightpro08 :-cool VATSIM Pilot/ControllerZLA ARTCC Senior Controller (C-3)Help Fight Cancer! www.ud.comhttp://vatsim.pilotmedia.fi/statusindicato...tor=OD1&a=a.jpg-----------------------------My "Home Made" System Specs:Intel Pentium 4 2.2GHz ProcessorTurbo Gamer ATX Mid-Tower with 420W Power SupplyEPoX 4G4A Motherboard with Intel 845G ChipsetVisiontek XTASY GeForce4 128MB Ti4600 (Det 44.03 Drivers)1GB PC2100 DDR RAM40GB Matrox 7200RPM Hard DriveWindows XP Home Edition SP1*No CPU or GPU Overclocking*-----------------------------Click Here to Download my American Eagle POSKY CRJ-200!

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Well, I believe the improvement is that you can now drag outside views to a second monitor. But I think the term improved support is a misnomer, since the drawback of this new feature is that a feature that I and indeed so many others cherished is gone. I feel misled by MSFS on this issue.Leo Bakker

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Leo:So much for an "upgrade" of the sim! Misled is the correct word, I think. Incidentally, I am curious, since sombody asked me, how do most of you find the quality of the picture in Windowed mode compared with full screen mode? On my set-up, which is a fairly hi-end P4 with good monitors, I find the windows mode to be of grade B to B+ quality at best, with various jaggies, depending on the angle of viewing, while in full screen mode, the image quality is immeasurably superior and very close to FSAA quality.Just wondering....JS

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>Since MS hardly ever listens to customer complaints I doubt very much they're going to do something about it. It will probably be one of the selling features of FS2006 to get something back that we had all along before FS2004.I have to totally disagree with that statement. I am not running multi-monitor so I don't know how different it is with FS2004 and FS2002, but to say that MS hardly listens is just plain wrong.What were the BIGGEST complaints of FS2002?ATCWeatherAutogen.What three biggest things have been upgraded in FS2004.ATCWeatherAutogen.Quite frankly I think MS has listened quite well. And while I do not know if they will fix it for THIS version, they will undoubtedly hear the complaints from this and probably fix it for next version.

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Scott,Just to make sure you are in the same angry boat with the rest of us:After you have undocked in "Window" mode and moved your gauges to the second monitor and then after you have Alt+Enter 'd into Full Screen mode, your gauges stay put on the second monitor, correct?But what happens when you Alt+Enter to re-enter "Window" mode. If you are like the other unhappy people here, your gauges all come flying back to your FS monitor. This never happened in the old unimproved multi-monitor FS2002 version! FYI, even the highly acclaimed ATI Radeon has this problem. It's not specific to my GF ti4600 128mb. Very disappointing. Hope there is a fix. Larry JonesFlorence, MT

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you are totally wrong Frank, and the person just above your post just explained it happend to the ATI card as well.:-jumpy

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Well, I found out that with the add-on I bought FS2004 for, (no, no mistake in word order) PMDG737NG, the framerate in non-windowed mode is completely unacceptable on take-off, like 3 to 4fps, but it will go up to around 10fps in windowed mode. Again, it's one of those completely frustrating mysteries about FS why this would be so. But any way, it has prevented me from comparing the two images as for quality, sorry!Leo Bakker

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Yes,I agree that M$ has thrown us multiple monitor people a curve.In 2002, I ran three monitors, in window mode. Why window mode? Because if you threw the primary monitor into full-screen, the mouse pointer would not travel to the other monitors, making them useless for IP, radio, etc.--But it window mode it worked well and FR's were great.(Locked at 34--and usually there.) I have never seen any difference in video quality between Window or full screen in 2002--nor in 2004.From their 2004 pre-release stuff, M$ claimed "3D acceleration" for multiple monitors. It seems they meant that if you move windows (panels)to other monitors, they will appear, and work as if in 2002 full screen. A feature not possible in 2002. OK, it appears they have done that, but with several benefits and some big problems:1. The secondary monitors do go "full screen", without borders, black background.2. The mouse pointer will travel to the other monitors, and "clicking" works, but the scroll wheel will not work.3. The FR hit is terrific if you open all windows (panels) in full screen on the secondary monitors. In my case--about 50%--from 24 (locked), to 12 or 13. 4. The flight will not save in the the mult. mon. scenario.5. In full window mode, as I ran 2002, the 2004 frame rates are great with all panels open--locked and steady at 24. BUT, I get giant "stutters". I MEAN 1-2 sec. stutters every 4-6 sec. Totally un-flyable.6. If you go to cockpit view in full screen, (full screen outside view), with your IP on a secondary monitor, a black rectangle, the size of the original IP, appears on the primary monitor and blocks 1/2 of the outside view, and the outside view is compressed into the upper 1/2 of the screen. Totally defeats the purpose of moving your IP to another monitor to achieve a more realistic outside view.Yellowjack has a work-around for getting panels on to your secondary monitors, and making them stick. I have tried it and it works. I thank him here for the tip, and the work it took to find out it worked. As he says--"I didn't say it was going to be easy".You can actually move panels (windows) while in full screen mode. It probably isn't worth posting because they won't "stick" when the flight is saved, and the procedure is almost as complex as Yellowjacks--but here goes:1. In full screen open a panel (Shift+2-say for radio stack)2. Drag the panel toward your next monitor until less that 1/2 is visible on your primary monitor.3. Hit Shift+2 again to hide it.4. Hit Shift+2 again to activate it--your next monitor should go black and the top 1/2 of the panel will appear on the next monitor.5. Drag the panel to wherever you want it on the monitor.6. Repeat for all other panels (windows).(sometimes I have dragged a panel toward the next monitor and it automatically went to full screen (black), and the panel "jumped" to the monitor.-But not always.)I like fs9 for the ATC and other enhancements, and for the moment am still flying it. I really wish I could fly in windows -as in 2002, without the stutters.I have resigned myself to flying in VC cockpit, and shutting down all other windows (IP, Radio stack, GPS, Etc.) when I need frame rate. Kind of a pain. Means I am looking at 2 out of 3 monitors "black" most of the time. Getting used to it-but not liking it. Wish M$ would tell what the h-- they did to the code, and give us a head start on the workarounds. Thanks to all the people on this forum, and others. I have benefitted greatly. After a month, the thing is almost flyable!Athalon2000+1 MB MemNVIDIA GE Force4-Ti4600-128MBNVIDIA GE Force2 MX 100/200-32MBNVIDIA TNT2 Model 64-32MB

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What I mean is that I don't have the feeling of there being any real interaction between MS and its users. Yes, we may complain, and maybe they will do something about it in FS2006. But with most add-ons I buy if there is something wrong at least you can speak (in the sense of communicate in their forums) to the developers directly, get a reply and you even have a chance of getting a patch.Take a look at the known issues thread about the things MS says they are aware of. Where is the faulty multi monitor support mentioned?I am convinced they are NOT going to patch this issue even though it is a clear step back for those of us with multi monitors. Imagine having spent the extra money on an extra monitor and an extra video card and being severely handicapped in their use for 2 years simply because MSFS ruins something that worked perfectly in FS2002, I think you'd be just as frustrated as I am.Leo Bakker

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Wow, this tip did it for me! Moving a window more than 50% outside the first monitor, then closing and opening it again indeed put my second monitor into fullscreen as well (actually a good thing) and displayed the window. Cool! I had to change the resolution for the second display in the setup menu, then everything worked fine. I just did a flight in the Dreamfleet Archer with RealityXP's FL530 GPS on the second monitor and could not see any FPS problems - but I was flying over Alaska, so this might be different in crowded areas.Thank you!VOlker :]

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