Folks, it's officially pure, unadulterated speculation:Due to a die-shrink from 40 to 28 nm (a 2x increase in logic gates per mm2) and otherwise no new architecture (is AMD tick-tocking like Intel?), the AMD HD 7970 will sport 3,000 VLIW4 stream processors (2x the HD 6970) for a whopping 5 TeraFLOP on a single GPU and 10 TFLOP (that's 0.01 PetaFLOPs!) for the 2x GPU HD 7990. Available by 3Q2011, which means 2Q2012, i.e. a year from now.This might all be BS, but someone had to get the thread going on the NextGen AMD GPUs that will start to show up in June, and june is a week away. :Big Grin:Cheers,- jahman.

Hmm :Thinking:

We'll see how it does clouds. :Nail Biting: JimCYWG

We'll see how it does clouds. :Nail Biting: JimCYWG

I'm not sure Nvidia cards are any better at that right now.

I am.Best.Miquel.

We can't just bash ATI because of their cloud texture problem, can we ?I think overall it's still the winner. I'm open to be corrected on this but I have used both Nvidia and ATI and the latter really throws a show!

I am not bashing ATI. I have owned many ATI and NVIDIA. ATI, looks good and fast until you fly into clouds.Seems that ATI is not interested in solve this (this has been said many times in the forums).When ATI releases a better graphic card for FS, i have no doubt that I´ll buy it.That´s all.Miquel.

I am not bashing ATI. I have owned many ATI and NVIDIA. ATI, looks good and fast until you fly into clouds.Seems that ATI is not interested in solve this (this has been said many times in the forums).When ATI releases a better graphic card for FS, i have no doubt that I´ll buy it.That´s all.Miquel.

ATI does not manufacture bad cards for FSX, rather FSX is a bad progrmam for ATI cards because FSX insists on using obsolete shader models (v. 2 native, v. 3 with Bojote's mod) needed to render clouds rather than the more efficient v. 4.1 of DX 10.1 and DX11.IOW, ATI (AMD) made a business decision to devote scarce silicon realestate to advanced shaders rather than obsolete shaders.OTOH current top-of-the-line nVidia GPUs do perfrom better with obsolete shader v. 2. Perhaps someone in the know can explain why?Cheers,- jahman.

ATI does not manufacture bad cards for FSX, rather FSX is a bad progrmam for ATI cards because FSX insists on using obsolete shader models (v. 2 native, v. 3 with Bojote's mod) needed to render clouds rather than the more efficient v. 4.1 of DX 10.1 and DX11.IOW, ATI (AMD) made a business decision to devote scarce silicon realestate to advanced shaders rather than obsolete shaders.OTOH current top-of-the-line nVidia GPUs do perfrom better with obsolete shader v. 2. Perhaps someone in the know can explain why?Cheers,- jahman.

+1 And that's the way the cookie crumbles!

ATI does not manufacture bad cards for FSX, rather FSX is a bad progrmam for ATI cards because FSX insists on using obsolete shader models (v. 2 native, v. 3 with Bojote's mod) needed to render clouds rather than the more efficient v. 4.1 of DX 10.1 and DX11.IOW, ATI (AMD) made a business decision to devote scarce silicon realestate to advanced shaders rather than obsolete shaders.OTOH current top-of-the-line nVidia GPUs do perfrom better with obsolete shader v. 2. Perhaps someone in the know can explain why?Cheers,- jahman.

Hi, I have not started this thread; I am only talking from my (big) experience with both ATI and NVIDIA...Read carefully the thread. That thing about ATI has been discussed many times in the forums in the past and present...I am not a NVIDIA or ATI fan; just buy the best card which performs better in FS, because it´s the only game-application or whatever it´s called, installed in my PC.Best.Miquel.

Agreed.Let's keep this thread for what it is and not what it could be. Besides, I think this argument over Nvidia and ATI has been discussed to death.Cheers

I have had 2 nvidia cards and never could get them to work. I use ATI only. If this card is good I might buy it. I bought this cardMSI N560GTX-Ti Twin Frozr II GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB PCI-E and put my ATI 4890 back in. Works better. JimCYWG