over at http://www.fsadventures.netA very interesting and educational IFR exercise -- using the twin ADF in the default FS2004 DC3Barry

<<<<"Anybody tried the twin NDB approach? in DC3">>>>Bazza, we Dak jockeys over at DC-3 Airways do it all the time! I'm surprised that a fella as interested as you in the flightsim world hasn't signed up there yet. Our multiplayer co-ordinator is an Aussie, too, and a bonzer bloke; most weekends we have between 15-20 DC-3s mustering for takeoff at any one time which is a sight to behold.Check DC-3 Airways out at www.dc3airways.comAnd no one will ever know if you have a coldie in the cockpit, either!Mark "Dark Moment" BeaumontEDIT: I should have said thank you for the pointer, however. I've tried a few of those FSAdventure guys' packages and they're great.http://www.swiremariners.com/newlogo.jpg

Hmmmm ... I've just taken a look at the file and have to say it's a little misleading. They seem to think that the only use of a twin ADF is to line up NDBs on approach by having one fore and aft. There's a bit more to it than that. The beauty of twin ADFs is that you can take a fix anywhere, anytime where you can pick up two different NDBs, by taking bearings on both, drawing a line on your chart back from each and finding where the lines meet ... that's where you are (or where you were ... thank God aircraft in those days mostly travelled at under 200 knots!). There's more stuff too, but I'm not going to go into it all here. Basically, however, given that you have a chart you can fly anywhere IFR with twin ADFs if there are enough NDBs about ... and if not, there's always Dead Reckoning to assist and a spot of celestial navigation if you can see the sun or stars. MS have confused the issue slightly, however, by not including the frequencies on the stock ADFs that were not present in the 1950s, so you may find many modern NDBs unattainable. Very realistic. Tee hee.There are a number of modern airports that still have twin NDBs in line for a locator approach, however. If you're flying blind, you just have to quietly count to yourself having passed over the first to work out how to coincide your rate of descent and speed with arriving at the runway! Luckily DC-3 wheels are solid enough to take the top off quite a few trees before you realise you're below Decision Height!Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/newlogo.jpg

well well Mr. Mark "enlightening moment" Beaumont,i see your memory is doing better ;-)congrats...1 request:would you be so kind as to NOT mention skimming treetops with the DC3 undercarriage?...i still have nightmares from that.thank you ;-)other fella:i've done it,and found it very interesting...i cannot agree with Mr Mark "enlightening moment" Beaumont though,as his knowledge far exceeds the knowledge of a simple peasant like myself.experience commands me to say he's right though ;-)have a really nice flight,and an even better landing(and NO treetopskimming!)

TomTreetops? What treetops? Oh yes, I remember ...http://www.swiremariners.com/dc3_files/image048.jpgI link here from my DC-3 site a picture I took of you that day you thought you were landing at EHAM but were actually in the woods near EFHK. Never mind, you survived ...How did you get your nickname, anyway? Crashed_pilot I could understand, but Crashing_pilot ... is it a hobby?Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/newlogo.jpg

>Tom>>Treetops? What treetops? Oh yes, I remember ...>>I link here from my DC-3 site a picture I took of you that day>you thought you were landing at EHAM but were actually in the>woods near EFHK. Never mind, you survived ...>>How did you get your nickname, anyway? Crashed_pilot I could>understand, but Crashing_pilot ... is it a hobby?>>Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumont>oww...one easily forgets his mistakes,only to be enlightened by people like you Mr Beaumont(yeah...i'm getting sore fingers of typing that whole name of yours ;-) )but indeed...this is in effect the origin of my nightmares...and adding to them was the fact that after landing(sort of anyway ;-) )i discovered santa did not have his residence there.painful.i went back to EHAM by train,and a very dissapointed lad i was.my nickname?uhm...my nickname is the sad combination of A: one dutchman that thinks he speaks English* andB: 7 Heineken beers consumed before i joined this forum.goes to show that alcohol truly destroys a lot.*by English this dude means a UKish language,that is best enjoyed with fish and chips.regards,blue skies,best wishes,etc,

<<<<<>>>>Ha! Here I am messing about with adding four tanks back into the DC-3 when all I needed to do was put seven Heinekens on board instead!Very funny response, Tom, good stuff. I understand you on the English* comment too; I'm a Brit living in the US, my wife is an American: we have two American/English dictionaries in the house. Not a day goes past without us coming across some word or other that is not understood by one of us.Just as well we don't have to speak Dutch as well. Mind you, we have a three-year-old, and she speaks Double-Dutch half of the time.Mark "Dark Moment" BeaumontEDIT: Ummmm ... if she's speaking DOUBLE-Dutch HALF of the time, does that mean she's speaking Dutch?http://www.swiremariners.com/newlogo.jpg

><<<<<B: 7 Heineken beers consumed before i joined this forum.>>>>>>>Ha! Here I am messing about with adding four tanks back into>the DC-3 when all I needed to do was put seven Heinekens on>board instead!yes,i can do with 7 Heinekens....but sadly,my doctor ordered me not to drink anymore...so,currently i let it just flow into my throat,via a gardenhose(doesn't taste that good,but hey ;-) )...after all,the guy said "drink",didn't he?>Very funny response, Tom, good stuff. I understand you on the>English* comment too; I'm a Brit living in the US, my wife is>an American: we have two American/English dictionaries in the>house. Not a day goes past without us coming across some word>or other that is not understood by one of us.yeah,American English(pardon me using the "English" part,it is merely used to prove a point)is totally different from the UK English...its like this:i'm an original Dutchman,and moved to a province called Fryslan(Friesland in normal dutch) 2 years ago...this is comparable to you moving to America,as i have a Frysian wife...now i'm lucky,in that i seem to understand languages quite easily,but nevertheless i never would have thought people could talk Dutch,whilst not talking Dutch,in short:i understand the pain you guys must be in ;-)>Just as well we don't have to speak Dutch as well. Mind you,>we have a three-year-old, and she speaks Double-Dutch half of>the time.>>Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumont>>EDIT: Ummmm ... if she's speaking DOUBLE-Dutch HALF of the>time, does that mean she's speaking Dutch?If,and i say IF,she does indeed speak Double Dutch,she is either:A: too old for that age(3 years old...whew!) orB: way too smart for her age (as Dutch is a relatively hard to learn language) orC: the victim of (a) parent(s) that do not know what Dutch is,therefore mistakingly believing the gibberish she blurts out IS Dutch.now,if A,B and C are ruled out,i would advise you to contact the CDC in Atlanta immediately,as there surely must be something causing these strange (bi)lingual occurances.despite all THIS gibberish:have a really nice weekend Mark,see ya,