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Sounds like their same "We kill your babies because you kill our babies" b.s. Difference is, most times Al-Qaeda does it, it's by intent. Reading their baloney, it only fuels my hatred for them and blinds me to any cause they have. Basically, what they say translates to "killing us is wrong, but our killing is holy".This also begs the question--how often do you think Al-Qaeda takes credit for acts that aren't their own, just so they can post some b.s. statement about their cause? Personally, I think if Al-Qaeda were really involved in this attack, they'd have hit the airliner. I suspect there are dozens of groups similar to Al-Qaeda waiting in the wings, waiting for their moment of glory through their blood lust for killing.It also begs the question--why do you post this? It's one thing to post about the threat, but why do you post their agenda? It's a serious question, and not meant to be any flame. I just wonder what the intent of your post is, given that Fox is not an obscure news service.

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"It also begs the question--why do you post this?"To answer my own question, I can think of at least one reason you posted it.... Hopefully people can see how rational, yet fatally flawed the terrorist logic is. They are not the "crazies" often portrayed...but they are intelligent people molded into a mindset by a different set of values.We need to treat them as an intelligent enemy, and outsmart them morally as well as militarily...

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http://europe.cnn.com/2002/US/12/08/al.qaeda.statement/No one from Al-Qaeda has disputed the first claim of responsibility, therefore, ipso facto, this follow-up cinches the deal.Now think hard about this determined group of people who we are dealing with. Observe how the hatred they have fuels their agenda at any cost. In my mind, they must be challenged. We really have no choice. The way I see it, history proves that the kind of mindless aggression against innocents practiced by terrorists for whatever agenda, is symptomatic of the real reasons they are broken. Terrorists and those that support terrorist tactics, have a complex. They have lousy self-image. They are perpetual victims. They have no compulsion, no moral base. They are sociopathic to the utmost degree. Narcissism, with a twisted logic. Where only a select few are allowed self-indulgence, and the balance of the followers, the balance of humanity are expected to subjugate. Jim Jones complex. Suicide bombers. Missiles against passenger aircraft. Bombs in malls.Please note, and give this much thought. The countries in the mid-east who support, or ignore with a "wink and a nudge," terrorism, can in no way be considered democratic or free. Their citizenry do not in my belief, experience many, if not almost none of the basic freedom that we do on a daily basis. I suggest you could look at Afghanistan, 12 months pre and 12 months post September 11th, for a good example of what the liberation of Afghanistan has done for its citizens. Shades of France in WWII. Out with the oppressors! Viva la France! Viva la Afghanistan!Missiles against Airliners...insanity! The world can no longer allow this.Peace to all. Stop the madness. The celebration of the birth of the Messiah is at hand. And even if you do not follow *******, it is said in most circles he was quite a dude, and worthy of some consideration! As some today are fond of saying, "...what would ******* do?", what would ******* do indeed. Like the thieves and gamblers and lenders in the temple, we must cast terrorists out from among ourselves. We must call them out for unacceptable behavior, and stop them at all costs. Lastly, if you think all of the above is just mindless "babble", riddle me this. What if the police involved in the recent terrorist shootings in Washington DC and surrounding areas had identified the suspects. Knew their whereabouts, but then just sat back and allowed them to continue, because they lack moral certitude? Then your neighbor, whose only mistake is walking the dog, is taken down by one of the shooters...and the police continue to just observe.Think about it.God save the planet. Merry Christmas to all. Happy Hanukah. Prosperous Ramadan. Peace, joy, health. No hungry children. No smallpox. No missiles. We

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For those that think that terrorism is or always one sided please read carefully.This in no way positions me on one side or another I just like the "TRUTH" to be known.You decide if substantial presure has been placed on the media or is it biased in favor of one side.When will the films about these events be made and by whom?Hpoefully this will restore some balance to the situation. Remember terrorism committed by "anyone" is wrong.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Rense.comPast Zionist-Jewish Terrorism - Some Historical FactsFrom A Concerned American3-23-2Following are just a few of the many massacres committed by Jewish-Zionist terrorists, notably by the Zionist Hagana, Irgun and Stern Gang groups. Don't expect any Hollywood films highlighting any of these massacres: 1. King David Hotel, July 22, 1946. 2. Sharafat, Feb. 7, 1951. 3. Deir Yassin, April 10, 1948. 4. Falameh, April 2, 1951. 5. Naseruddine, April 14, 1948. 6. Quibya, Oct. 14, 1953. 7. Carmel, April 20, 1948. 8. Nahalin, March, 28, 1954. 9. Al-Qabu, May 1, 1948. 10. Gaza, Feb. 28, 1955. 11. Beit Kiras, May 3, 1948. 12. Khan Yunis, May 31, 1955. 13. Beitkhoury, May 5, 1948. 14. Khan Yunis Again, Aug. 31, 1955 15. Az-Zaytoun, May 6, 1948. 16. Tiberia, Dec. 11, 1955. 17. Wadi Araba, May 13, 1950. 18. As-Sabha, Nov. 2, 1955. 19. Gaza Again, April 5, 1956. 20. Houssan, Sept. 25, 1956. 21. Rafa, Aug. 16, 1956. 22. Qalqilyah, Oct. 10, 1956. 23. Ar-Rahwa, Sept. 12, 1956. 24. Kahr Kassem, Oct. 29, 1956. 25. Gharandal, Sept. 13, 1956. 26. Gaza Strip, Nov. 1956. 26. Gaza Strip, Nov. 1956. July 2, 1946: The King David Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed, killing 91 people. Menachem Begin, who was later awarded the Nobel Prize for peace, is the same man who planned the destruction of the King David Hotel and the massacre of Deir Yassin. Ex prime minister, Shamir, was originally a member of the Jewish terrorist gang called Irgun, which was headed by none other than Menachem Begin. Shamir later moved over to the even more radical "Stern Gang," which committed many vicious atrocities. Shamir himself has defended the various assassinations committed by the Irgun and Stern gangs on the grounds that "it was the only way we could operate, because we were so small. So it was more efficient and more moral to go for selected targets." The selected moral targets in those early days of the founding of the state of Israel included bombing of the King David Hotel and the massacre of Deir Yassin. April 9, 1948: A combined force of Irgun and Stern Gangs committed a brutal massacre of 260 Arab residents of the village of Deir Yassin. Most of whom were women and children. The Israeli hordes even attacked the dead to satisfy their bestial tendencies. In April, 1954, during Holy Week, and on the eve of Easter, The Christian cemeteries in Haifa were invaded, crosses broken down and trampled under the feet of these miscreants, and the tombs desecrated. The Israeli military conquest, therefore was made against a defenseless people, who had been softened up by such earlier massacres as Deir Yasin (where 250 Arabs; men, women and children were massacred). The Jew, Weizman, referred to the massacre as this "miraculous simplification of our task," and Ben Gurion said that "without Deir Yasin there would be no Israel." Americans are not told that ten percent of the Arabs killed by the Israelis in 1948 were Christian, and that ten percent of the Arab property confiscated belonged to Christians. Nor are they told that Israel's massacres and military actions forced 100,000 Christians to become refugees. Accounts by Red Cross and United Nations observers who visited the scene said that the houses were first set on fire and the occupants were shot down as they came out to escape the flames. One pregnant woman had her baby cut out of her stomach with a knife. Reminiscent of the acts committed by their brother Jews in Russia during and after the Bolshevik (Jewish) takeover. The head of the International Red Cross delegation in Palestine, Jacques de Reynier, drove into the village and was met by a detachment of Irgun terrorists. In his report of the massacre the previous night, he wrote: "All of them were young, some even adolescents, men and women armed to the teeth: revolvers, machine-guns, hand-grenades, and knives, most of them still blood-stained. A beautiful young girl with criminal eyes showed me hers (knife) still dripping with blood, she displayed it like a trophy." May 1948: The U.S. appointed Count Folke Bernadotte of Sweden to mediate between the Arabs and the Israelis. In his first progress report (of Sept. 16, 1948) he recommended that the U.N. should affirm "the right of the Arab refugees to return to their homes in Jewish controlled territory at the earliest possible date." The Israelis responded in their own quiet way. The following day Bernadotte was murdered in Jerusalem. Responsibility for the spectacular assassination, which caused an international outcry, was claimed by an unknown group, "Fatherland Front," which was actually a cover for Shamir's Stern Gang. Yoshua Zeitler and Meshlam Markover of Stern told Israeli television in 1989 that they respectively directed and led the operation that killed the Swedish diplomat and his French aide-de-camp. Zeitler, 71, said he decided to speak now because of fear that the U.N. and the "goyim" (non-Jews) are again trying to force Israel into concessions. February 1949: Israel launched an offensive across the Armistice lines with Egypt which brought its forces to the Gulf of Aqaba, occupying the Palestinian police post of Umm Rashrash which they afterwards named Eilat. 1950: Israelis seized the Al-Uja de-militarized zone on the Egyptian side and Baqqara on the Syrian side, expelling their Arab inhabitants and razed their homes to the ground by bulldozers. 1950-1955: Israeli forces unleashed more than 40 acts of armed aggressions against Arab states, almost all causing a heavy loss of life. This included attacks and massacres in Qibya, Huleh 1953, Nahalin, Kfar Qassem in 1954, Gaza and a Syrian outpost on Lake Tiberias in 1955. October 14-1 5, 1953 -- Under the command of Ariel Sharon, Israeli squads attacked the unarmed Arab village of Qibya in the demilitarized one. Where they blew up 42 houses and killed more than 60 residents who were trapped inside. The details were so gruesome that the U.S. joined in a U.N. condemnation of the Israeli action, and for the first and only time, suspended aid to Israel in reprisal. July 1954: Israeli intelligence planted "a ring of spies (moles)" in Cairo. Its task was to begin sabotage operations against selected Egyptian, British and American targets. On July 14, the Alexandria post office was fire-bombed, and the U.S. Information Agency offices in Cairo and Alexandria were damaged by fire started by phosphorous incendiary devices, as was a British-owned theater. Members of the spy ring were caught, and they confessed. They had been planted by Modin, the Israeli military intelligence organization. The purpose, presumably, was to sabotage Egyptian relations with the U.S. and Britain. Various commissions of inquiry into the affair conducted in Israel were never able to decide whether or not Israeli Defense Minister Pinchos Lavon authorized the operation. MORE JEWISH TERRORISM 1956: Squads of Israeli soldiers committed a hideous atrocity in the Palestinian village of Kafr Qasim, 47 innocent people were shot down in cold blood. The careful and premeditated mass murders, never received great attention in the West. Although the Israeli courts convicted eight soldiers of murder, they were all released within two years of their trial, and within three years one of them who had been convicted of killing 43 Arabs in an hour, was engaged by the municipality of Ramleh as the "officer responsible for Arab affairs in the city." In October 1956 Israel, backed by England and France, attacked Egypt to gain control of the Suez Canal. Taking advantage of the situation created by Egypt's decision of nationalization of the Suez Canal, Israel joined forces with Britain and France to invade Egypt. As a result, it occupied the Sinai Peninsula, seized the Gaza Strip, and Sharm Al sheikh which guarded the Strait of Tiran and the entrance to the Gulf of Aqaba. a year letter it withdrew reluctantly under the combined pressure of the U.N., U.S.A. and the Soviet Union. There was no military necessity for this destruction; it was sheer vengeance against Arab Christians. This action created another 300,000 Arab refugees, thus making a total refugee population of Christian and Muslin Arabs, which is larger than the combined populations of Montana, Nevada and Wyoming. It was during this campaign that the Israeli's attacked the U.S.S. Liberty with the death of 34 of its number. If this had been an Egyptian or a Russian attack, American would have been at war, but the Jewish vote of America silenced any American criticisms of this action. Americans are also not told that Israel has always refused to obey any mandate of the United Nations. Resolutions affirmed by vote every year since 1948 recognize the right of the return of Palestinian refugees, but Israel always refuses to obey. Israel has been condemned over and over again for breaking the charter and now fulfilling the conditions upon which she was allowed to become a member! 1960-1962: Israeli forces attacked Syrian villages on Lade Tiberias and brought death to hundreds of Arab civilians. 1966: Squads of Israeli soldiers raided the Jordanian village of Sammu, they killed 18 civilians, wounded 100 others and demolished 130 houses including a school, a clinic and a mosque. 1967: THE U.S.S. Liberty was deliberately attacked in international waters as it monitored communications during the Six-Day War. Israel used U.S.-donated equipment to jam the ship's S.O.S., hoping to sink it and murder all aboard before word could get out. 34 sailors were butchered and 170 wounded in this blatant Act of War. The Liberty was part of the Sixth Fleet, a powerful group of men and ships paid for by U.S. Taxpayers to protect the Israeli's. What do the Jews think of our American Service Men, the descendants of the men who pulled their chestnuts out of the fire in World War II? June 5, 1967: Israeli committed its biggest, most treacherous and premeditated aggression against Egypt, Syria and Jordan. After destroying Arab aircraft on the ground in a lightening attack, Israeli forces invaded and occupied the rest of Palestine, that is, the West Bank, Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem, the Syrian Golan Heights and the Egyptian Sinai Peninsula. In the first days of its aggression and in plain disregard of the truth, Israel fabricated a charge of aggression against its victims and presented it in a dramatic manner to the U.N. Security Council. Western media spread this fabricated story and the whole world sympathized with the supposed victim. In 1967 the Israeli's made a third ruthless blitzkrieg attack upon the Arabs. This time they deliberately destroyed three quarters of a million dollar's worth of church property. The great deception practiced by Israel on the U.N. and the whole world is now completely discredited, the Israelis, therefore, changed their tactics and rely nowadays on the argument that, they were NOT attacked by Egypt, they were in danger of BEING attacked, and hence they resorted to a so-called pre-emptive strike. Alan Hart quotes a former Israeli Director of military intelligence as telling him "if Nasser had not given Israel the excuse to attack the Arabs, Israel would have invented a pretext for war within six or ten months" because its military planners had decided that the time had come to knock out vast amounts of mainly Soviet-supplied Arab armor. Yitzhak Rabin, who as chief of staff planned this attack told Le Monde in February 1968, quite simply: "We knew that Nasser did not intend to attack." February 15, 1968: Israel invaded PLO bases in Karamah, on the eastern bank of the River Jordan with helicopter-borne troops and tanks. Three hundred commandos fought off 1,500 Israeli soldiers and force them to retreat. The battle lasted all day and into the evening. Although the village was totally destroyed, the Palestinian defenders repelled the Israelis and inflicted heavy casualties among the invaders. By the Israeli account, they lost 28 soldiers and 90 were wounded. 1969: The Israelis distinguished themselves by committing a horrible crime, in retaliation of attrition war across the Suez Canal, Israeli war planes raided an Egyptian school "Bahr al Baker" in southern Egypt killing 75 children and wounding over 100. August 1969: An Israeli set fire to one of the most sacred Islamic shrines. Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, causing extensive damage to it. This crime plunged over one billion Muslims throughout the world into the deepest anguish. March 12, 1970: Israeli forces invaded part of South Lebanon known as "Fatah-Land" killing a number of Palestinian and Lebanese civilians. September 8, 1972 -- Without any apparent cause or reason, Israeli Phantoms bombed Palestinian targets in Lebanon and Syria in a series of raids killing hundreds of civilians. This action was explained by the Israeli prime minister the next day, who in the Knesset, that "Israel had now adopted a new policy to strike at the terrorist organizations where ever we can reach them." February 21, 1973: Israel landed commando units on the coasts of the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli. They attacked two Palestinian refugees camps, dynamited several houses and buildings, some over the heads of their occupants, killing 35 refugees and wounding a similar number. On the same day, Israeli war planes shot down a Libyan Civilian Aircraft over the Sinai Desert killing over 100 passengers. April 10, 1973: Israeli commando units with the help of some Lebanese collaborators stormed into a residential quarter in East Beirut and killed three PLO leaders: Yusef Al Najjar, Kamal Adwan and Kamal Nasser. 1974: Israeli air-borne commando units attacked Beirut airport and destroyed 13 Lebanese civilian aircraft on the ground. In the same year, Israeli planes intercepted a civilian Syrian aircraft and forced it to land at Lydda (Lod) airport on suspicion that it was carrying a Palestinian commando leader. Christian shrines in Jerusalem were subjected to several acts of aggression and robbery. This included damaging the church of the Holy Sepulchre, burying four other Christian centers, and stealing the diamond Crown of the Virgin Mary. 1975-1980: Israeli's intelligence service, the Mossad, distinguished itself by feats of terrorist actions that killed a number of Arab and Palestinian diplomats, scientists and journalists such as the PLO representatives in London, Rome, Paris and Brussels, prominent Palestinian journalist and writer Ghassan Kanafani and the Egyptian nuclear scientist Dr. Al Mashad. 1981: Putting their so-called pre-emptive policy in action, Israeli warplanes raided and destroyed a peaceful Iraqi nuclear reactor near Baghdad. June 6, 1982: The Israeli armed forces invaded Lebanon. Less than two weeks after its election, the New Menachem Begin government unleashed the first blow in its war to liquidate the PLO in Lebanon. June 1982: Israeli forced launched their savage invasion of Lebanon. As a result of this invasion a great number of refugee camps, Lebanese towns and villages were destroyed. Israeli warplanes launched eight raids on Palestinian targets in South Lebanon and Beirut, killing nearly one thousand people and wounding many others. The fantasy of the "pre-emptive strike policy" was dropped and even the Jerusalem Post correspondent was at pains to explain the purpose of the bombing raids. "The past few days of activities on the northern border followed five weeks of quiet. It is not know what triggered Israeli's Friday afternoon raid." Outraged by Israel's onslaught and the cruel destruction of Beirut, Jewish journalist Jacobo Timmerman called Begin "unbalanced" a "terrorist" and "a disgrace to the people." He accused Sharon of helping to make Israel "the Prussia of the Middle East.&quo t; July 17, 1982: U.S. supplied F-4 and F-5 jets swooped low over Beirut in 4 passes, bombing the densely-populated Fakahani district. Five tall apartment buildings were destroyed, 200 people were killed and 800 wounded. Forty percent of the victims were small children, and one of the survivors was an unborn baby pulled by doctors from the dead mother's womb. Israel's then Chief-of-staff Rafael Eitan announced on Israeli Radio that civilian causalities were unimportant and that the Arab causalities suffered as of the July 17 attack did not yet constitute the Israeli "final solution." September 1982: Israeli raids and bombardments continued during the weeks following the raid on Beirut in July. It was the beginning of the invasion of Beirut; after which an 80 days war led by Ariel Sharon, (then War Minister of Israel) resulted in the destruction of much of Beirut, killing and wounding thousands of Palestinians and Lebanese civilians. It was during this invasion that the massacre of the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps was committed. Where over 2,500 Palestinian women, children and elderly people were slaughtered in cold blood. Even the Israeli high court held a number of the Israeli military officers, including Sharon, responsible. October 1982: Israeli terrorists bombed the houses, cars and offices of three elected Palestinian mayors on the West Bank, Nablus, Ramallah and Al Beireh. 1984: Israeli warships and gunboats intercepted merchant ships on the high seas off the coast of Lebanon and kidnapped a number of Palestinians. 1985: Israeli planes raided and destroyed the PLO headquarters in Tunis. 1986: Israeli secret agents assassinated a noted Palestinian cartoonist Naji Al Ali, in London. April 1988: Israeli commando units stormed into the house of Khalil Al Wazir, in Tunis. Al Wazir who was the most senior PLO military commander and believed to be in charge of the Intifada, was murdered while sleeping. February and March 1989: Israeli F-16 planes pounded Palestinian targets in Lebanon's Shouf Mountains, Damour and the Beka's valley with a series of raids killing a numbers of civilians, including 15 school children in Damour. April 14, 1989: Israeli border guards and settlers attacked the peaceful and unarmed village of Nahalin near Bethlehem. Eight Palestinians were massacred for no reason and over 50 were injured. The killings took place late in the night and at the beginning of the Holy month of Ramadan.

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Sorry Cookie....If terrorism is wrong on all counts, then such events shouldn't be used to distribute an agenda. Open your own thread if your intent is sincere--then at least people have the choice of listening (I would have, as I had to remind someone a bit too pro-Israel of the same events shortly after 9/11). Terrorism allows no choice. I can read this text verbatim (I know you did not write it)--it has been posted on many sites which do not hide their hatred of the Israelis. Although you don't take sides, this seems to be the side you've presented here and at the "other" site.But, since you're on the subject, why stop there? My wife has native American blood...she was born deep in central Mexico, and members of her nation were spread even into what is the U.S. today. Can't tell you how many settlers came from England, Australia, Asia and Europe murdering her distant cousins. Can I cite specifics? Hardly--my wife's culture was largely destroyed hundreds of years ago, and lives on only in folklore. But I have never heard her or a family member say "I will show the world my wrath", even though we are still occupiers of her land today. By rights, I can't think of a single country that didn't participate in the raping of her land.London suffered terribly in WW-II during the blitz, V1 and V2 bombings. Then came Dresden. The war was won. A British/USAF force leveled that city. Flags we live under today. Do you think Germans should target the Sydney Opera House? Or the Sears tower? 1945 isn't far off from the King David terrorist attack, is it? Take a look at this link, to have more "balance"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_D...in_World_War_IIHad the WTC bombers had their way, tens of thousands would have died. They made a few critical "mistakes"--they hit the towers too early, too high, and at the wrong angle. This could have been a single attack that eclipsed Dresden...even Hiroshima if the buildings had fallen into the crowded downtown below. There is no "balance" brought by attacks like this, nor by attacks against airliners--that could have easily gone down in the Muslim sections of the city. This is simply an attempt of someone (Al Qaeda, Bin Laden) forcing their view on another and genocide, rationalizing it against real or imagined wrongs. Take the "wrong" of American F-16's used to bomb their children. More of our money is spent on Arab oil than on Israeli causes. Isn't that a joke? I think it's pretty crazy, but truth is, more of my money goes towards my fuel bill than towards taxes. And I wouldn't be surprised if the same Arabs crying foul the loudest weren't the same ones using my fuel money to buy stock in Boeing, Grumman, TRW and the other contractors involved distributing parts of the F-16.It is a shame, but the Arabs may be killing themselves.... What do you think?

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John I abhor mindless violence in all its forms but when it is perpetrated against your own people in order to gain sympathy from the rest of the world (see the part concerning the ships in the link below) I am truly shocked.I am appalled by the one sided media coverage of the crisis in Palestine and believe that there is a hidden agenda on the part of the Israeli government in their perpetrating further violence in the Middle East.Terrorists

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Thanks for your response....And no need to express sympathy for my wife, though the words were appreciated. It is through her eyes that her culture is taught to me and others, and hopefully carried forward.You are right to point out the past of those heading Israel. Sad to say, even if they were gone and truly progressive leaders took over, the "State" of Israel is too much a mess to allow peace in the Middle East. When I look at the proposed Palestine on a map, it is hardly viable as a country, as it is cut in two by Israel. I believe the only peace in the Middle East would be a secular state in the holy land....a place where Christians, Jews and Muslims can pay respects to their religious places and icons without fear of reprisal. A dream, I guess, since neither side cares to listen.Sadly, just as Israel was forged by force, the car bombings of today are part of the tide turning into the other direction. No matter how grave the crime, I can't recognize the mindset of those who know for certain that a child will be killed, then kill anyway. Doesn't matter who does it. Each side claims the other does it--and they are truthful claims. But don't we scold children who say "Mikey did it too". Until the U.S. puts Israel and the PLO on notice (we provide aid to both) and suspends all aid, the children will keep trying their games of oneupmanship for Mommy and Daddy. But the same has to happen to the Arab countries funneling payments to the families of the suicide bombers. Both combatants, the Israelis and the Palestinians, are playing both sides. None has the moral high ground at this point.Student exchanges and other cultural exchanges have proven that the "hatred" between Palestinian and Israeli is a myth. But the myth is something being played on a stage by the stale leaders of both side--leaders that don't know how to conduct war without resorting to terrorism. People should believe what you posted, but all I can say is, shame on both "children". What will they do when an inevitable energy "breakthrough" comes, and the world is no longer looking their way? If past U.S. history is any example, we will ignore the carnage, just as we have demonstrated in Africa and Latin America.

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there is no way to peace, peace is the way.Dell 8300 Pentium R4 CPU 3.0 Ghz.Windows XP Pro, 1.00 GB of Ram.256MB DDR ATI Radeon 9800 XT.SB Audigy 2 Surround Sound.Dell 19" Monitor, Cable Modem.CH Yoke, CH Pro USB Pedals.Headphones for wife's peace and quiet.

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I'm not sure why you're digging up two year old posts just to quote "there is no way to peace, peace is the way".... I was dumbfounded as to why threads not responded to since '02 suddenly seemed "alive" again. There's better ways to contribute to the forum than trying to dig up old topics to get your "name in lights" and to make a political slogan...-John

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