Vilk,About this book: you are not serious now, are you? :)Lyrajordan:If you can spend money, there's only one suggestion I would give: MS Force Feedback 2. Although everyone says it sux, I wouldn't agree. I would agree though that default MS FF in the Flight Simulator sux, that is true. BUT...if you try FS Force, you WILL change your mind! FS Force is a little addon, that actually makes the joystick like standard joysticks, it centers when you don't push, like it has a centering spring. Although, you still have lots of other cool force feedback effects: When taxiing, and you rudder left or right, you will feel opposite force (like you would in the real airplane, the force on the rudder pedals), then when rolling, you feel the ground-bumps - and not those lame ones like in default FF, but kinda cool, first they are slow, not really hard, then they get harder, but also at the same time you feel the bumps on the runway and taxiway (other kind that shaking), and also there is a of course cool effect of touchdown and not to forget, the trim settings, which you cannot have without force feedback - meaning, when you trim, your joystick does not keep in the center position and your aircraft goes up or down, but the joystick actually changes it's "center"! Which is I believe how the real trim on the aircraft operates...or at least similar!So I believe, this combination is absolute winner against any other non-FF joystick.And btw. controlling the yaw when rolling is absolutely easy with joystick, at least with the MSFF2. You control the rudder by turning the stick left or right. Piece of cake.

And lyra:The cessna is the prop, if you turn on hard in your realism, it will tend to yaw. That's normal. If you go into realism settings, you will see lots of sliders, and if you hover over them with the mouse, you can read the description on the bottom of the page.Enjoy!

for you, capt'n, nofor our friend lyrajordan, yes:)

lol ahahha yeah sure man ill look into that book. thanx. i went out and bought this longitech attack thingy. its the latest model and feels pretty good. i cant believe how much more convinient the joystick is. i mean like 70% of my flying problems are solved. i can taxi, climb, turn, and take-off smoothly. feels really great. i didnt buy the high end ones because i wanted to test this one and those sticks are expensive. i didnt wanna buy something that i didnt need. so what do you guys think? should i stick with this one or should i exchange it for the latest model ($79 longitech, pretty good actually but i figured i didnt need it)?oh and one more problem. when i flew with the keyboard i could trim just fine. for some reason trimmings gotten a bit complicated. you guys have any hints on what i should do?and thanks a lot guys uve helped me all the way through.

i always thought flying with a joystick would be so much easier only to find out that its kinda hard. i guess im not used to them thats why.has anyone got hints on how to trim properly and how to fly level flight properly?

The trim on your keyboard should still work. Mine does with a yoke attached and active.Hope this helps,JimActiveSky Support

thanks. yeah the trim still works. i just find it way harder to get it under control. like with the keyboard before all i did was "tap" "tap" "tap" "tap" "tap" got into the air and trimmed. here with the joystick i hafta keep holding it and adjusting ever second and i duno how to level up.

Might need to calibrate your joystick.Hope this helps,JimActiveSky Support

If you're trimming for level flight, first hold the plane at your selected altitude using the stick while you adjust your power settings for cruise. Keep holding the stick for a while until airspeed has stabilized. Then adjust the trim a few taps at a time as you start to relax your pressure on the stick. Adjust the trim a little, relax the stick a little more, adjust the trim a little more, and so on until you can take your hands off.If you're trimming for a specific airspeed, for example on your approach to landing, the technique is different. First set your power, and then use the stick to raise or lower the nose until the plane holds the airspeed you are looking for. Now slowly trim until the plane holds that airspeed hands off (if you are turning, you might still need to pull back a little on the stick to keep the nose from falling). Once the plane is trimmed for a certain airspeed, it should stay there. Adding power should cause the plane to climb at that speed, while reducing power should cause a descent at the same speed.

thanks a lot. yeah that helped a lot. i got a few questions though. okay lets say that im trying to fly a cessna 172 SP. after take off how do i stabilise the air speed at 75 knots? ( what i do is hold the joystick at around 10-15 degrees and then start relaxing the joystick and trimming. the technique doesnt work as i rarely stabilise the plane properly)after ive reached my preferred height how do i level off(i use the same technique as above except this time i trim a lot more)all i need to learn is these two techniques and im fine. i can trim and fly level but it takes me too long and i dont think im doing it right. sorry for the trouble guys and thanks for the patience. :D

hey,it takes me a while too to trim my 727....if you find out the secret to trim it in a second,please tell me ok?to level off you just put the stick neutral or slightly forward,and reduce some power,and watch your vsi drop(the vertical speed indicator,see pic below),if the needle indicates 0,you are level(not descending,and not climbing either),then you set cruise power,and start trimming.likewise,if the needle points down,you are descending,and if it points up,you are climbing ;-)keep on asking bud,we LOVE to talk about simming!http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/65287.jpgclimbing slightly.is the vsi of my trusty dc8,built by HJG ;-)

"after take off how do i stabilize the air speed at 75 knots?"With stick. But as ruthless as necessary. If your speed is above 75, raise the nose more. If the speed is below 75, lower the nose. Don't start trimming until you have your speed nailed with stick. Since you have full power set (right?), chances are you are going to need to hold a fair amount of back pressure to keep plane from accelerating beyond your target speed. Just hold that pressure for a while, then slowly apply "up" trim to release some of it. You probably won't want to trim for complete hand-off flight in your initial climb. As you gain some altitude, slowly release some of the back pressure to accelerate to your cruise climb speed (80-90 knots). Then if you're planning on a longer climb, go ahead and trim for hands-off. You'll probaby have to adjust the trim from time to time throughout the climb."after ive reached my preferred height how do i level off"Again, with stick. When you reach your cruising altitude, do the following in this order:1. Apply forward pressure on the stick to stop your climb. Hold as much pressure as necessary to keep you altitude. Remember that as the plane accelerates, it will want to climb. Use the stick to show it who is boss.2. Once the plane accelerates toward cruise speed (say 110-120 knots), reduce throttle to your cruise power settings. Should be about 2200-2400 RPM if I recall. You might also set the mixture. All the while, you are adjusting stick pressure as necessary to hold your altitude.3. After you have set power, keep holding altitude with stick pressure for a little while until the plane finds its stable airspeed. Now slowly add trim to maintain your altitude hands off. Chances are you will need forward trim.4. Adjust trim as necessary. Here is the procedure: If you see the plane beginning to climb or descend, first apply stick pressure to stop it and hold it there for a few moments. Then slowly trim until you can take your hands off. Stick first, then hold, then trim.

thanks a lot guys. that should solve my problems. ive been having a hell of a problem the past two days. the first one is trimming but hopefully now ill be able to get it straight. the second one was changing the weight and taking off from peru. i increased the weight in my cessna and all of a sudden controling her became impossible. then i decided to take of from peru (high altitude). for some reason with default settings the plane just wouldnt leave the runway. im gonna take another #### at it tonight. thanks for your help guys. im off to practice :)

oh man im sooo happy now. i can trim alright now for the 172SP and i got all the altitude stuff figured out as well (i was using metric). this is soo awesome. im flying 524 km over the arabian desert to celebrate :Dthanks a whole bunch guys.