I was attempting a reference to the heading bug. I hold a current real world ATP Ticket and A First Class Medical which is also current. I will refrain from offering help so the pros can do it. I am only type rated in 5 real world aircraft. If you crank a heading bug around too quickly you can get unwanted results. Flying requires some skill and one of those being VOR tracking a radial, or finding an airway or simply following ATC instructions. Constantly reminded why I don't offer help. Sorry guys and gals. Cpt out.

I am sorry if I offend your feelings, but I do not believe your claims for the real world.

 

You are right in one thing, flying does require some skill. However, it also requires some knowledge, and perhaps it is just the way that communication can be more difficult over the internet, but you are not coming across as knowledgeable. As a real world ATP holder, even as a PPL student with only a couple of hours flight time, you would be expected to know exactly what needs to be done to cause lateral g forces, and what needs to be done to prevent and/or avoid them. (Hint - how are balanced turns balanced?)

 

Seperate from (though related to) your understanding of airframe dynamics, you are expected to understand the roles, purposes and mechanisms of operation of the different systems available to you. It is not enough to know that the heading knob is used to tell the AP what heading you want unless you also know how the AP will use that information and what limitations, restrictions and protections apply.

 

You can turn the headinging knob as fast as you are able but that wont change the roll rate one iota.

Paul,

 

RJ is correct, the A/P will bank the plane steeper (up to bank limit in computer or selected) if you command a big HDG change.  Thus, pulling a higher G even if in a coordinated (or balanced as you called it) turn.  Further, the FMC will track to waypoint behind you,  Cheers

Paul,

 

RJ is correct, the A/P will bank the plane steeper (up to bank limit in computer or selected) if you command a big HDG change.  Thus, pulling a higher G even if in a coordinated (or balanced as you called it) turn.  Further, the FMC will track to waypoint behind you,  Cheers

Absolutly correct... for the first 15 degrees or so until the bank angle limit is reached. And then it will maintain the same bank angle until the desired heading is acheived. No matter how quickly the knob is turned. The only way to discomfort the passengers is to do it so slowly that the plane never reachs the limit. Then it will be increasing and decreasing the angle and, as you know, it is is the change of g, not the g itself, that causes discomfort.

I am sorry if I offend your feelings, but I do not believe your claims for the real world.

Paul,

 

This comment has landed you in trouble with me.

 

That statement is a lot more than what is permissible within the laws of disagreement in most settings, and certainly here in this place, on my watch. This is an insult to the basic character and integrity of a respected member of Avsim, without having demonstrated grounds to do so. I have read every word leading up to your remark, and have determined that there is no obvious or indicated reason, or right, for you to jump to such a libelous conclusion, unless you have substantial evidence that adequately supports your claim.

 

You have 20 hours from the time I post this message, or two hours from when you next visit AVSIM (We track IP addresses) to either:

 

a. Present compelling evidence that rjmcgill is misrepresenting or lying about his real world claims, to the Avsim Management Teams satisfaction.

or

b. Issue RJ a public statement in this thread, addressed to rjmcgill, that apologizes to him unconditionally and retract your statement, to the Avsim Management Team's satisfaction.

 

This notice is being sent to you at (email hidden for privacy) which is your email of record. Your failure to comply, as requested, will result in your loss of privileges in this community, to my satisfaction.

 

Kind regards,

I have stated in the posts above the reasons for my lack of credulity in rjmcgill's claims. Did you read them? 

 

Now I would ask you to explain why you feel that publicly threatening my and the publishing of my email address (which has already resulted in my recieving spam in my corporate inbox) is consistent with the Avsim rules of behaviour you are claiming to uphold. 

Just thought I'd chime in here and let everyone know that I can vouch for RJ McGill's credibility as an experience pilot. I have spoken with him at length via PM about his flying background and he has responded with a wealth of information on his flying experiences with the JS41 for Delta Connection, which was very informative for me, and has helped me to fly the PMDG JS41 correctly. I suggest anyone else interested should contact him directly, as he is more than willing to give advice. It has also been interesting listening to his 763 experiences, as I am a huge Level-d fan.

rjmcgill, on 12 Mar 2013 - 20:05, said:

I was attempting a reference to the heading bug. I hold a current real world ATP Ticket and A First Class Medical which is also current. I will refrain from offering help so the pros can do it. I am only type rated in 5 real world aircraft. If you crank a heading bug around too quickly you can get unwanted results. Flying requires some skill and one of those being VOR tracking a radial, or finding an airway or simply following ATC instructions. Constantly reminded why I don't offer help. Sorry guys and gals. Cpt out.

Paul_Smith, on 13 Mar 2013 - 10:15, said:

rjmcgill, on 12 Mar 2013 - 20:05, said:

 

I was attempting a reference to the heading bug. I hold a current real world ATP Ticket and A First Class Medical which is also current. I will refrain from offering help so the pros can do it. I am only type rated in 5 real world aircraft. If you crank a heading bug around too quickly you can get unwanted results. Flying requires some skill and one of those being VOR tracking a radial, or finding an airway or simply following ATC instructions. Constantly reminded why I don't offer help. Sorry guys and gals. Cpt out.

 

I am sorry if I offend your feelings, but I do not believe your claims for the real world.

SpiritFlyer, on 15 Mar 2013 - 03:09, said:

That statement is a lot more than what is permissible within the laws of disagreement in most settings, and certainly here in this place, on my watch. This is an insult to the basic character and integrity of a respected member of Avsim, without having demonstrated grounds to do so. I have read every word leading up to your remark, and have determined that there is no obvious or indicated reason, or right, for you to jump to such a libelous conclusion, unless you have substantial evidence that adequately supports your claim.

 

You have 20 hours from the time I post this message, or two hours from when you next visit AVSIM (We track IP addresses) to either:

 

a. Present compelling evidence that rjmcgill is misrepresenting or lying about his real world claims, to the Avsim Management Teams satisfaction.

or

b. Issue RJ a public statement in this thread, addressed to rjmcgill, that apologizes to him unconditionally and retract your statement, to the Avsim Management Team's satisfaction.

 

This notice is being sent to you at (email hidden for privacy) which is your email of record. Your failure to comply, as requested, will result in your loss of privileges in this community, to my satisfaction.

Paul_Smith, on 15 Mar 2013 - 06:35, said:

I have stated in the posts above the reasons for my lack of credulity in rjmcgill's claims. Did you read them?

 

Now I would ask you to explain why you feel that publicly threatening my and the publishing of my email address (which has already resulted in my recieving spam in my corporate inbox) is consistent with the Avsim rules of behaviour you are claiming to uphold.

The post was not a threat, but a notification of an impending action. Your email being contained within the notice was an oversight of which I apologize, but has been removed. The time provided for you to comply has now elapsed. From your defiant post, copied above, you have reasserted your claim and refused the remedial procedures offered.

 

it is obvious you do not intend to apologize and retract your libelous statement against the truthfulness of rjmcgill's real world experience. For us not to act to protect members from direct personal character assignation or slurs to personal integrity without disciplining sanctions against the offender would be irresponsible.

 

Paul, you are initially suspended for 1 week from Avsim for failure to comply with our remedial procedures. If your subsequent conduct and respect to fellow members, especially rjmcgill remains as is, that suspension may be reinstated and substantially extended. I suggest you cool down and think this through. You sir, have brought this upon yourself.

 

Edit: I would like to add two things.

 

First, you are a respected, long term member of Avsim. This sort of conduct does not seem consistent with your previously demonstrated character, which is puzzling to me, and most likely is to your friends as well.

 

I once too severely misjudged rjmcgill as well, suspending him for his first post. I was chastised by the members of this community, apologized, reversed my decision, and ate crow, feathers and all. I suggest you too made a bad call, so you need to do likewise.

 

Kind regards,

I  apologise to rjmcgill for saying "...but I do not believe your claims for the real world."

 

Stephen made a mistake in publishing my email address for which he has apologised, however, he did not respond to my email, and I could not see his reasoning posted above, since I was banned. It would also seem that we must agree to disagree on what constitutes a threat, or what should be publicly debated as opposed to being discussed in private..

 

Below is the conversation as I saw it, and for which I have been banned for a week.

 

Be careful with the bug. If you spin it fast depending on the plane the aircraft will rotate as tight as possible to try and make the heading adjustment. IF you are carrying for passengers the unwanted g effect will be felt in there seat....

 

 

I know you think you are trying to help, but seriously? "If you spin it fast..."

 

 

.... I hold a current real world ATP Ticket ... type rated in 5 real world aircraft. If you crank a heading bug around too quickly you can get unwanted results. ...

 

 

I am sorry if I offend your feelings, but I do not believe your claims for the real world.

...

You can turn the headinging knob as fast as you are able but that wont change the roll rate one iota.

 

I could claim to be the rightful king of Ireland, but does not make I say about leprechauns any more authoritative. However, the reverse is also true. My getting something wrong about leprechauns is not proof against my being King of Ireland.

 

rjmcgill may very well be, as he claims, a real world ATP holder. However, unless he has access to evidence to support his claim that the PMDG documentation is wrong, or that the systems on JS41's are faulty in a way that an independently verified JS41 pilot (RSR) has completly failed to spot, then making unsupported claims to real world authority to support an argument is deeply disrespectful to everybody in this community, even if those claims are true.