STAR Instructions too early

[ubergeek99 0]

Hi Dave,

May have found an issue. I was executing a flight between CYYZ and KBOS and received the STAR instructions shortly after takeoff. I was still within the SID. I didn't get the climb step instructions. I executed the climb to FL390 regardless. ATC recovered and the rest of the flight was normal.

Here's what I think is the relevant parts of the log around the issue:

First the flight plan init:

Filed Route: CYYZ DIRECT BMPAH DIRECT AEVON DIRECT HANKK Q935 JOSSY Q935 AUDIL Q935 FABEN Q935 PONCT KBOS 
Filed SID: KEPTA3 - RW23 - BMPAH
Filed STAR: JFUND2 - RW04R - PONCT
Filed APPR: 
Filed APPR Trans: 
Filed Cruise Alt: 39000
File Descent Rate: 1750
End FPLFile 10/21/2023 13:14:35

 

Now here's where the software thinks the STAR started:

AssignedController: 124.92.  CtlrShrtName: Toron Ctr CtlrType: Center14:01:48
New Com1 Stby Freq: 128.8
Com1StandbyFreqChanged: 128.8.  CtlrShrtName: CYYZ Dep CtlrType: Departure14:01:48
InterruptAudio in SayItSpeak- Phrase: Center AIR CANADA Fifty Six climbing to One Seven Thousand feet  10/21/2023 14:01:55
AudioInterrupts: 1 in InterruptAudio 14:01:55
 WaveOutPlayer Paused in InterruptAudio 14:01:55
Ctr ChatterFolder: C:\Pilot2ATC_2020_x64\Sounds\ATC_Chatter\Regions\Canada\Controllers\Ctr
ControllerFreqChanged: 124.92.  CtlrShrtName: Toron Ctr CtlrType: Center14:01:55
Recognized Speech: Center AIR CANADA Fifty Six Climbing to One Seven Thousand Feet 14:02:00
HandleInitialContact 14:02:00
SpokenRandomGreeting 14:02:00
HandleInitialCenterContact 14:02:00
CheckSquawkCode 14:02:00
SpeakAltimeterSetting 14:02:00
ControllerChanging: False : 10/21/2023 14:02:00
UnInterruptAudio in OnSayItSpeakCompleted 10/21/2023 14:02:00
AudioInterrupts: 0 in UnInterruptAudio 14:02:00
 WaveOutPlayer Playing in UnInterruptAudio 14:02:00
InterruptAudio in SayPhrase: AIR CANADA Fifty Six   good afternoon .  10/21/2023 14:02:00
AudioInterrupts: 1 in InterruptAudio 14:02:00
 WaveOutPlayer Paused in InterruptAudio 14:02:00
ATC Speak:  AIR CANADA Fifty Six   good afternoon . 14:02:00
Sug Resp:  14:02:00
OnTTSWavePlaybackStopped 10/21/2023 14:02:03
UnInterruptAudio in OnTTSWavePlaybackStopped SugRes:Center AIR CANADA Fifty Six climbing to One Seven Thousand feet  10/21/2023 14:02:03
AudioInterrupts: 0 in UnInterruptAudio 14:02:03
 WaveOutPlayer Playing in UnInterruptAudio 14:02:03
NewGPSWpt: SEKIT
SetNearestActiveWaypoint: GGABE
NewATCWpt: GGABE
rOnReachedTOD.  Current  Alt: 11458   14:03:17
rOnReachedArrivalSetup 14:03:17
AssignedAPPR: ILS - RW04R - I04R - 
AssignedRunway: RW04R - 
AssignedSTAR: RW04R-JFUND2-PONCT - 
Expect Vecotors: RWY: RW04R Approach:ILS - RW04R - I04R
Error in BuildFPRoute
System.InvalidCastException: Unable to cast object of type 'P2A2021.FltPlan' to type 'System.Windows.Forms.IWin32Window'.
   at P2A2021.FltPlan.CalcSTARSpeedsAndAltitudes()
   at P2A2021.FltPlan.BuildFPRoute(Boolean CalcTOD)
SpeakAltimeterSetting 14:03:17
SpeakAltimeterSetting 14:03:17
rOnReachedNextFltPlanWaypoint: GGABE; 14:03:17
SetNearestActiveWaypoint: JOBEE
NewATCWpt: JOBEE
rOnFirstSTARWaypointReached 14:03:17
State Changed to: STARDescent 14:03
PrepareApproachForVectorsToIF:ILS - RW04R - I04R 14:03:17
SpeakAltimeterSetting 14:03:18
SpeakAltimeterSetting 14:03:18
InterruptAudio in SayPhrase: AIR CANADA Fifty Six Expect vectors to the  ILS  approach to runway Zero Four Right at LOGAN  International   QNH is Niner Eight Six at LOGAN  International  10/21/2023 14:03:18
AudioInterrupts: 1 in InterruptAudio 14:03:18
 WaveOutPlayer Paused in InterruptAudio 14:03:18
ATC Speak:  AIR CANADA Fifty Six Expect vectors to the  ILS  approach to runway Zero Four Right at LOGAN  International   QNH is Niner Eight Six at LOGAN  International 14:03:18
Sug Resp:  ~Expect vectors to the  ILS  approach to runway Zero Four Right  QNH is Niner Eight Six AIR CANADA Fifty Six14:03:18
SetNearestActiveWaypoint: TOD PT
NewATCWpt: TOD PT
OnTTSWavePlaybackStopped 10/21/2023 14:03:28
UnInterruptAudio in OnTTSWavePlaybackStopped SugRes:~Expect vectors to the  ILS  approach to runway Zero Four Right  QNH is Niner Eight Six AIR CANADA Fifty Six
 10/21/2023 14:03:28
AudioInterrupts: 0 in UnInterruptAudio 14:03:28
 WaveOutPlayer Playing in UnInterruptAudio 14:03:28
InterruptAudio in SayItSpeak- Phrase: Expect vectors to the  ILS  approach to runway Zero Four Right  QNH is Niner Eight Six AIR CANADA Fifty Six
 10/21/2023 14:03:28
AudioInterrupts: 1 in InterruptAudio 14:03:28
 WaveOutPlayer Paused in InterruptAudio 14:03:28
Recognized Speech: Expect vectors to the ILS approach to Runway Zero Four Right QNH is Niner Eight Six AIR CANADA Fifty Six 14:03:36
HandleExpectedApproachReadback 14:03:36
HandleAltimeterReadback 14:03:36
UnInterruptAudio in OnSayItSpeakCompleted 10/21/2023 14:03:36
AudioInterrupts: 0 in UnInterruptAudio 14:03:36
 WaveOutPlayer Playing in UnInterruptAudio 14:03:36
InterruptAudio in SayPhrase: AIR CANADA Fifty Six Descend via the JFUND Two  arrival  with the PONCT transition  to Six Thousand feet .  QNH is Niner Eight Six at LOGAN  International  10/21/2023 14:03:37
AudioInterrupts: 1 in InterruptAudio 14:03:37
 WaveOutPlayer Paused in InterruptAudio 14:03:37
ATC Speak:  AIR CANADA Fifty Six Descend via the JFUND Two  arrival  with the PONCT transition  to Six Thousand feet .  QNH is Niner Eight Six at LOGAN  International 14:03:37
Sug Resp:  ~Descend via the JFUND Two  arrival  with the PONCT transition  to Six Thousand feet .  QNH is Niner Eight Six AIR CANADA Fifty Six14:03:37
OnTTSWavePlaybackStopped 10/21/2023 14:03:47
UnInterruptAudio in OnTTSWavePlaybackStopped SugRes:~Descend via the JFUND Two  arrival  with the PONCT transition  to Six Thousand feet .  QNH is Niner Eight Six AIR CANADA Fifty Six
 10/21/2023 14:03:47
AudioInterrupts: 0 in UnInterruptAudio 14:03:47
 WaveOutPlayer Playing in UnInterruptAudio 14:03:47
InterruptAudio in SayItSpeak- Phrase: Descend via the JFUND Two  arrival  with the PONCT transition  to Six Thousand feet .  QNH is Niner Eight Six AIR CANADA Fifty Six
 10/21/2023 14:03:47

Perhaps something to do with the cast exception. If you need more log let me know.

Regards,

 

[Dave-Pilot2ATC 875]

I see what happened, but no clue why.  ATC jumped to GGABE as the next waypoint, making it think it was late with giving STAR instructions, even though you were actually still climbing in the SID.

I suspect this was a one-off glitch.  Be sure to update to the latest Beta (7H at this point). 

While this shouldn't happen again, if strange things like this happen, you can almost always recover by Disconnecting, then Reconnecting.  Then File the plan and make the initial call to the current controller like "<CallSign> climbing to xxxx" in a case like yours.

Thanks for the report.

Dave

[Condor1 0]

I'm sort of new to this having used this software for about a month now. But I don't think this issue is a one-off glitch since it has happened to me also. Yesterday I got a clearance for final approach when I was still climbing to cruise 300 nm away. Yesterday I also got an approach clearance when I was 169 nm from the IAF and I was told to contact tower when I was 90 nm away.

That's the reason I'm searching this forum, to see if there are better answers.

[Dave-Pilot2ATC 875]

Based on the description, it sounds like something happened on the flight that caused the program to think it was further along the route that it truly was.

If you email the log file for this flight to admin@p2atc.com, I can have a look.  Reference this thread so I'll know why you sent the log.

P2A Log files are located in: 
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\Roaming\P2A_200\Logs 
where <UserName> is your PC user name. 
Portions of the path may be hidden by default, so be sure Windows Explorer has Show Hidden Items checked in the View tab.
 

Dave