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Guess what's on Ebay? Some guy is selling a CD of FS freeware addons and seems like people are really falling for it. Bill, Your Trinidad is on it, and a few others that I recognize. Take a look for yourself.http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=1950983125It's a shame that people do this just cause it's freeware. :-8This one got away:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=3000394557I'll check into this seeler and see how many other CDs he's got.

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a BIG BUMP!The bid is up to $39.99!!This is such a shame... thanks for pointing this out. I hope somebody will do something.-----------------------------------------------------Jeff M.

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>Guess what's on Ebay? Some guy is selling a CD of FS >freeware addons and seems like people are really falling for >it. Bill, Your Trinidad is on it, and a few others that I >recognize. Take a look for yourself. >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=1950983125 >>It's a shame that people do this just cause it's freeware. >:-8 Well, as much as I hate to say this, with this disclaimer on the ad, there's not a whole lot anyone can do about it..."THESE FILES ARE FREEWARE AND CAN BE FOUND ON THE INTERNET. WHAT YOU ARE PAYING FOR IS MY TIME. I HAVE SPENT MANY HOURS COMPILING THESE AIRCRAFT AND THEN BURNING THEM TO A CD SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO."Effectively speaking, this is in no way different than someone posting the same files on a 'subscription based' website where the user must pay for access to the file directory.I'll have to amend the GNU license in my future models to preclude this happening again. As it is, there's nothing in the wording to exclude this type of exploitation... The "neat part" of this type of deal is that the seller doesn't even have to burn a CD until one is sold, so effectively there is no 'cost' involved until and unless one is sold.I have a fairly good idea who it is selling this CD, based on the person's listed location of Peoria, IL.

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ebay does have a form you can submit about "illegal" auctions such as this one. You have to be a registered user to submit a complaint, but I did that one time a couple of years ago, and they pulled the auction within a few hours. I'll see about submiting one for this as well.

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Ahhh... Intricate legal matters. Well put, Bill. Seems that 30 bucks for a CD seems a bit much, though. For a buck or two, fine, but he seems to be crossing the line IMO. Then again, you could think of it this way: someone is paying a bunch of money to enjoy your product, so maybe that's saying something there. In the end, if I had a model of mine on that CD, I would at least write to the guy and ask him to not put it on one of his CDs.

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Nice work Christopher, You have been promoted! Chief of Freeware Defense, your salary will be doubled :-) I spread this info around to a few places. We cant allow people to bend and slither around the "freeware" policies. Even if its "legal" if enough people bare down on Ebay, we may get this pulled. Wrong is wrong. And for him to say "I'VE DONE ALL THE WORK" really sent me off! He's made arond 500 bucks at my guesstimate.joe

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This is the mail I've sended to Ebay:=============This guy is selling pirated FREEWARE add-ons for Microsoft FS200X. Many people have taken lots of time to build this add-ons and informed the FlightSim community by means of a readme file that the add-on may NOT be ditributed on any kind of media. This person is claiming theat he/she build those add-ons and is now selling them.Note: Most of this files can be found on either www.avsim.com or www.flightsim.com in the File Libraries.Note 2: This was one auction with the same pircaystory: 3000394557 and this one 3000568501 too. I hope you can at least end the auction. What I actually hope more for is that you'll post his email-adress in the Avsim forum so that each designer and FS-community user can tell this person how wrong he is by selling FREEWARE!!!=============

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Looks like ebay took notice... the item's no longer available!

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Yes, now he's claiming that the planes are all public domain. That's not the same as freeware. If they are public domain, then he can do anything he wants with them.To all aircraft authors: See if you recognize your work on the CD. If you do and you didn't authorize redistribution, then you can contact the seller or eBay.I sent an email to Milton regarding the Dash 7. I don't know if it's his but it's the most well known so there's a pretty good chance it is his.Peter http://bfu.avsim.net/sigpics/PeterR.gifBFU Forums Moderator[table border=2 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=1][tr][td][table border=0 cellpadding=8 cellspacing=0][tr][td bgcolor=#540000]http://bfu.avsim.net/sigpics/logo75t.gif[/td][td align="center" bgcolor=#FFFFF6]Bush Flying Unlimited"At home in the wild"Looking for adventure? Come join us! * [link:bfu.avsim.net|Web Site] * [link:www.cafepress.com/bfu,bfu2,bfu3,bfu4|BFU Store] * [link:bfu.avsim.net/join.htm]Join!][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table

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It looks to me, especially from the aircraft listed, that they are mostly the work of Chuck Dome. If I recall correctly, he usually clearly states that his work is Public Domain. As for the rest of the planes on the list I am not so certain.

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I just did some checking around. I typed in "Public Domain" at Flightsim.com and I was able to find a version of every plane on his list. Still pretty sleazy, taking advantage of people who don't know any better.

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Well, he does say that you're paying for his time to download and make the CDs. I don't know if he said that before. So, people should bid accordingly although I think his starting price is too high. A CD-R costs about 15 cents and can be burned in about five minutes.Peter http://bfu.avsim.net/sigpics/PeterR.gifBFU Forums Moderator

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Downloading is a one time thing, probably 5 min with high speed, and then 5 min to burn each. 5 bucks tops and maybe another dollar to ship it. I didn't see anything about paying for his time mentioned. All I see is "I HAVE DONE ALL THE WORK, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS FLY."

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Don't worry, I'm not defending him. I think a couple bucks would be more appropriate and I agree that his wording isn't very good. I was just saying that at least he's now saying that it's public domain and if that's true, then it's up to the bidders to gauge its value. Hopefully, now they'll see that they aren't getting much for their money and should just download the planes themselves.Peter http://bfu.avsim.net/sigpics/PeterR.gifBFU Forums Moderator

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>I see its changed a bit. >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=3000799864 >>Still slimey if you ask me. >>I see Bill's Socata has been removed from the list. He must >have read the READ ME. I noticed that as well. The Falcon 50 was also removed, and a Falcon 100 was substituted.The Robin DR200 is still listed, but a check of the readme.txt didn't indicate any license restrictions...However, one of the gauges in the DR200 is the klnbro90.gau, and it has the following restrictions:Copyright and Distribution--------------------------This gauge is released as Freeware. Copyright © Coyote Avionics DesignTM, Ike H Slack. As freeware you are permitted to distribute this archive or the gauges contained therein subject to the following conditions :- The archive must be distributed without modification to the contents of the archive. Redistributing this archive with any files removed or modified is prohibited.- You can use these gauges in any panel of your own. You may also freely distribute these gauges, subject to the no money restriction..-----------------------------I think the last sentence sums it up fairly well... "no money restriction.."

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Hi Bill and others,I don't completely agree with you... IF you say in your readme file, or license, that people should not make money with your things, or that it has to remain freeware (free = not cost money), then you most definetly do have a point..Because, he is actualy urning money with what other people have made, because if not for the software, he could have spend endless hours of work on collecting and burning, but no-one buys an empty CD (well, for EUR0.5 in the shop to make burn my own CD's). So without the models he wouldn't urn money.... so the value of the cd... the thing that makes it worth money, are the models that are on the CD.... Anyway, this again shows the reason for which we have to include copyright statements/ licenses. It also shows why we (IFDG) and other groups are so strict on repaint permissions (you have to ask permission), just so we can tell you again and really make sure you know, you have to include the copyright statements on release, so we don't get into this sort of things....Cheers,Robert

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