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G'day all,I'm having a problem trying to make the engines look acceptable when viewed throught the cockpit windows. Chrome is just beyond me I'm afraid. No matter what I do the dome turns out rather flat and not very chrome like.The main purpose of this post is to canvas ideas on whether or not to add apropeller to the engine? The prop is fixed (don't know if I can obtain a spinning prop view from the cockpit) and presently shown in feather!!! I'm certainly not capable of drawing a blurred spinning propeller. I'm just at a loss on how best to handle the situation.Any ideas anyone???I need help.....please :-)CheersRoger

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Hi Roger,have you tried with "Environment" in the editor models (how for body)?Dan

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G'day Daniele,You'll have to run that one past me again mate ..... slowly :-) I'm not quite sure of what you are trying to say. The exterior of the aircraft has "environment mapping" and no problems there. All's nice and shiny. :-) see attachment.The interior view is done in Photoshop. Whether or not I can get the shiny effect of chrome is really secondary to my problem. I've got to the stage where I'm considering completely eliminating the engines and propellers from the left and right cockpit views. Unless rotating props can be placed then there will always be this mismatch of propeller to engine condition.I'm just wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to best deal with the situation. I guess it's a choice - put up with static props or eliminate them from the view.Thanks for the inputHave you done any more to the MD-500 ?Cheers,Roger

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Roger,the propellers in the sights are the model 3D or is an image?To visualize the propellers of the model 3D can use the file CAM.Then to give the effect chrome uses the Enviroment mapping.I would not know just otherwise as to help you. :-hmmm Unfortunately it seems that the project MD-500 is stopped. :-erks I have also prepared the model of the AB205.I am now working to the model of the DA-40.I always hope that someone creates the panels and the relative files. :-zhelp All the bestDanP.S. The model is really wonderful. You always use TruSpace?N.B. Forgive me for the english :-shy

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G'day Dan,You are an absolute genius!! :-jumpy Thanks a million for your last reply as it put me on the path to achieving a fully functional propeller in the side views (only one at the moment but I'm working on it :-) )Funny that you are making a DA-40 as I was looking at making a DA 42 Twin Star. There is a feature article on the DA 42 in the July issue of "Flying" magazine. It's a pity that the diesel engines only have a life of 2400 hrs and are a throwaway engine. ie can't be overhauled. Please consider making the panel for the DA 40. The model so far looks really nice. :-) Is it also diesel powered?That's half the fun in modelling; getting one's creation to operate in Fly! II. I know nothing about helicopters (except that they are creations of the devil :-lol )I like the bumper sticker "Helicopters don't fly ... they beat the air into submission." :-)For the record yes I'm still using Truespace 3.2 . It's got limitations but it gets the job done ... sort of :-)Thanks for the suggestions.Cheers,Roger

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Hi Roger,the image is stupendous!!!!Yes, the DA-40 is diesel. You can find the documentation to this address:http://perso.orange.fr/aeroclub.limoges/parc_page06.htmFor the panel I have to really like if you want to realize it. I don't have familiarity (that's why the helicopters are to ground :-rotor ).Long, long, long life to FLY!Dan

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Roger,Nice to see that you figured that one out. As long as you don't have to scroll the view you'll be OK. It gets really tricky when you try to use the 3D model in the main panel or a scrolling view. When we were working on the wipers for the Dauphin, I tried to make the 3D model visible but it caused all kinds of problems...Let me know if you need help.Regards,Alexhttp://www.avsim.com/hangar/fly/dfdg/banneraa.jpg

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Hi Dan,My homebase is Wiener Neustadt Ost (LOAN), that's where the DA40 is built. So if you need some pictures just let me know, just can't wait to try this bird with FlyII.Harald

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G'day Harald,Getting data for the cockpit interiors is perhaps the biggest problem when deciding to make an aircraft for Fly! II. Exterior pics and technical data can usually be obtained from books, magazines or websites, but the interior cockpit views ... well that's another problem.Is there any chance that you could get the rotated interior views photographs. Even though it's a DA40, except for the panel, the rest of the views would be pretty much the same as the DA42 and could also be used for that aircraft as well because, apart from the ventral fin, they seem to share a common fuselage aft of the windscreen. The engines of course would have to be added to the side views but that's not a problem.Wishful thinking... But it would sure be a great help if you could :-)Cheers,Roger

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Hi Harald,thanks for the availability.I have some photos (excellent) of the DA-40. The photos are Maurizio Argenton.I also have photo of the panel and the various sights.I still have to end the model 3D. Roger is offered to realize the panel. If you have photo that can help us in the realization of the model and the panel, send us her.THANKSAll the bestDan

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G'day Daniel,>Roger is offered to realize the panel. :-eek :-eekNo I didn't !! :-lol (language misunderstanding), but if you are prepared to accept a somewhat less than 100% realistic panel then I'll give it a go and do my best Unfortunately my knowledge of systems construction and instruments is very, very rudimentary. And this one's a diesel ! I'll have to get Alex to help. :-)I'll need everything you have in the way of photo's of the aircraft panels and interior views.Also do you have any technical data about the aircraft.cheers,Roger

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Hi Roger,surely you know more than me. However two brains are better of one. ;-) I can draw the instrumentation, the needles, etc.I have photos and the technical manual of the airplane. In the weekend I put the photos and the manual on my site. I will make you know.All the bestDan

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Hello to everybody!As Daniele said, I sent him the photos he used to build his very nice - as usual! - 3D model.If I can save some of Daniele's time, I could send the low-res (640x480) pictures via e-mail; it'll be some 3,5 MB.Besides, I'm available for explanations, within the limits of my limited experience - I've just flown a dozen hours in the DA40 with the Thielert diesel engine; I know in USA the Lycoming 180 HP is used but in Europe we need to save money for fuel ...Regarding the aircraft's manual, you can download it at the Diamond's site: http://www.diamond-air.at/support/techda40d.htmYou will find both german and english versions. A french version is available by the Aeroclub Limoges's website, previously shown by Daniele.Building the panel and systems won't be an easy task, as the Garmin GNS 430 is not available in Fly!2, nor is the GA-1000 which is an option recently available; however, a realistic enough model could use standard Fly!2 instruments, maybe with the addition ol Rotw's GPS.And don't forget this bird is controlled with the throttle lever only; you set the power and forget about propeller and mixture. Pretty handy!Bye,Maurizio

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Hi Roger,Sorry for the late answer, but I am on vacation.Yes, I can make some screenshots from the interior of an DA40.I will let you know as soon as I have them.Harald

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G'day Harald, The interior pics will be a boon to both the DA40 and DA42.Your offer is very much appreciated and will add immensely to the overall quality of the model. Enjoy your holiday! Cheers,Roger

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Hi Roger,have you read the message that I have sent you?Have you unload the model, the photos and the manuals?Dan

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G'day Dan,Sorry I haven't been in touch lately. I've been out looking at cars with my 23 year old niece. She had her heart set on buying a 12 year old Toyota Celica FR. I've been subtley trying to convince her that $10,000 is a lot of money for a car that is basically over the hill and likely to require expensive maintenance in the not too distant future.Yes I did download the pics and manuals and the acm and tif.I don't see how I can get involved with a 3d panel done in 3dsMax though as I don't have it and I don't think my better half would appreciate it if I were to mortguage the house :-) When I get started I might have a go at a 3d panel using truespace.(just for the background).The pics are ok (but not exactly the rotational views) but may come in handy for some of the panels. Harald has access to a DA40 and has offered to take all the view photographs so there's no problem there.I have found the website for the manuals and have also downloaded the DA42 flight manual and maintenance manual. (safely stored away on a CD for safe keeping).I've still got the Twin Pioneer to finish off. I think I'll just pod up everything as far as I've gone and upload to the library. I'm going to need the space on my Hard drive for the development of the Diamond aircraft.I won't worry about the Garmin (350/450/1000). If the ROTW generic GPS will fit I'll use that.In the real world it beats me why they bother using the Garmin product as the flight manual specifically states that the primary instruments for height, (can't remember speed), heading, fuel, are the analogue gauges. Also the Garmin instrument is limited to latitudes less than 65 degrees. Cheers,Roger

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Hi Roger,for the Garmin I will ask to Laurent if he can do anything.If you need help with the panel, the gauges and the needles, write me. I can draw the needles with 3DS and to create the files PBM.Dan

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Hi Roger,I made 20 pictures of the interior of our DA40,each 5MPixel.Are they what you need? As appetizer I add some resized JPEGS.Harald

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G'day Harald,They're great. It's a real boon having someone who has access to the aircraft for photography. All up there are only about a dozen views needed.Namely - forward view (camera level) 3 views - from the pilots seat, from centre and from co-pilots seat. No need to include any sky so if you can lower the camers (keeping it level) to include all of the instument panel then so much the better.. also from pilots seat (camera level) - all the rotational views.045 view - #3 shown here is perfect090135180225270315The view of the engine controls is great and would be easy to model t he levers but for comparison would you be able to take an angled photo of the engine controls from the pilots seat looking down. I'd just like to see how it would look Now I'm confused! What engine is in this aircraft. The DA42 only has a throttle lever. It has the TDI diesels with full FADEC engine control with integrated pitch and mixture. This is just like a Cessna. Should make the modeling that much easier as I can use TRI's basic flyhawk files.I'll email youThanks for your help.Cheers,Roger

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Hi Roger,This is a DA40 with a 180HP Engine, no Diesel, sorry.I add some more previews.I am sure I can also get some Screenshots from DA40TDI.Harald

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Hey guys,the photos I sent to Daniele do show a DA40TDI ...For Roger : yes the engine is the same (135 CV Thielert turbodiesel w intercooler, fadec, single lever control, an aeronautic version of the Mercedes A-class 1700 cm3 engine) of the DA42.Bye,Maurizio

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