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We started early in the morning at Easton State. The thermometer read 25 Fahrenheit but it really felt colder.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/41215.jpgThe sun rose and we took offhttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/41216.jpgThe lakes aren't frozen, due to the relatively low latitude. Yet, there's powdery snow on all the coniferous trees, making their wintergreen hue appear a lighter hue of green. You may also note that there's no snow in the outer terrain. That's due to the lower elevation.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/41217.jpgYes, there are mountains! I spotted a large, furry ape-like creature here but somehow it doesn't show in this screenshot. http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/41218.jpgThese screenshots by courtesy of Glidernut's winter textures (Copyright) for Flight Unlimited III. They can all be downloaded from Ye olde Glidernut Palette Shoppe website and the whole set of textures costs $ 9.99. When the spring textures are released previous customers will get a 25% discount :-)

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Hans,Those are some of the most beautiful screen shots I've ever seen for a flt sim. Please also post in the screen shots forum.How did you get that snow on the ground? The textures permanent, or varies with what weather and season you load in the Weather Menu?I must add though, that fireplace color appears kind off.I searched the shot for the hairy man, no go there; but I think I might have seen something significant in the water, long kneck, little head. What tipped me off was a barely discernable wake that.... whoops-waite, wrong lake :-hah Take care,JimB.

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Jim, these are Glidernut's winter textures. If you look down the list of threads you'll find the one on tweaking the palettes. In any of the regions' resreg, file 9 is the palette for models and file 10 the one for the scenery. For the shots above I "drabbed down" the model palette a bit (less saturation) and used Glidernut's file 10 for the scenery. Robert Driscoll started this since he wanted to make the yellowish snow whiter. Since you're good at playing with colors and textures you might look into this. All it takes is ResViewer and a paint program that allows you to edit palettes.best regards,Hans Petter

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Hi,do you have the link for the glidernut website?SincerelyTFT

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I was just kidding :-) If you check out the thread "Yellow snow and Palettes" below you'll find Glidernut's winter palette in the 6th last post. He attached a small zip file, just click on the attachment and it will prompt a download. Then, back up your stock resreg.res and try Glidernut's winter version of the Seattle region.Added: I forgot to mention that you need ResViewer. Glidernut's upload is a palette file that replaces the original scenery palette. Provided you've got ResViewer and know how to use it you may easily create a winter version of the Seattle resreg.res.best regards,Hans Petter

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Hi,thanks for the hint. I know how to use the resviewer.TFT

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And what about the autmn :-shy (I don't remember how to write it - the third season of the year) colours ?B.Adamski

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Yes, one might create an autumn (fall) version of the scenery palette but then the snow on top of the mountains would turn more yellow or brown. But then, there's less snow in the autumn so maybe this would look OK? Bogdan or anyone else, you might try to skew the scenery palette (file 10) towards yellow and red. We might even skew the model palette (file 9) towards yellow/red to get yellow/brown foliage on the tree models. If it turns out well we'll have another alternative season. As always, we need to keep all different versions of the region's resreg.res backed up in separate folders (Seattle standard, Seattle modified, Seattle winter, Seattle autumn etc and just use one at the time.Hans Petter

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What would happen if, instead of skewing the whole palette in one direction, we just change some colors? If, for example, we modify the yellows of the snow, and make them more white? The forests and sea should be unaffected... ?Cristian

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Ansgar is really the "man" here but I believe this to be the issue:Every part of the scenery textures relies on the palette.The palette doesn't "know" that we want white on top of the mountains and nowhere else.Thus, if we skew one part it affects everything else.Put differently, the palette doesn't have a code that says "this entry is for snow on top of the mountains". All the coded colors or hues will go to whichever part of the scenery that calls upon that palette entry.Hans Petter

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Hans, I know, but if we leave, for example, the reds, greeens, blues, as they are, and we just change (brighten) the yellows, only the parts using those colors will be affected - that is, the snow, some part of the cities, some beaches... Might be less "intrusive" than changing the whole palette... Just an idea anyway! :-)Cristian

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I can't change the palette, because I don't have PSP. I have only Micrographics & there is no psp format.If we don't correct white colour, we should get correct snow colours, I think.B.Adamski

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Well, there might be a better way. Ansgar, can you help us? We want to edit specific palette colors one by one rather than skewing the entire palette.Hans Petter

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Iv just discuvered that I can edit specific palette colors one by onewith Paint-Shop-Pro.Hears how.After opening an FU3 snap in Paint-Shop-Pro, and lowding a palette, then clik on Colours Edit Palette...See snap 1.Then bubl clik on an individual squair in the palet.See snap 2.Then choos or create a new color.See snap 3.Then clik on colors save paletteThats it dun,Im hopeing this also works on your vershion of Paint-Shop-Pro.If not, then what is your first request ?In other words, what should I try ?I hav alredy tryed changeing the colors that represent the lakes and sea worterto make the worter lighter, but with horibl results.PS, I did try doing a winter palette for the UK-South, but you wanted only a light coteing of snow and that didnt look like snow at all !In fact the best looking snow in the UK-South is with the terane in blackand wight only.glidernut.

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If I could edit the palette, I would change 1 colour & see what will happen. Then changing some green colours for gold, orange and red I could see what will get. Could anyone do it & send a screen ?B.Adamski

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I just tried to edit single palette entries the way you described and it works! The problem is that we don't know which hue will affect which area -- at least we don't know what unwanted side-effects will ensue when we change one palette entry. Here's a suggestion: Take a screenshot that includes ground, water and mountains for your choice of season. If you want to start with improving the winter version, take a screenshot with the current version. Loading this image into PSP and its current palette, work on the palette and check what the changes do to the various "classes" of terrain.If we get to developing an autumn version, start out by skewing the palette towards red and yellow. Load a screenshot into PSP, load the preliminary palette and work on each palette entry. We might even get brownish trees for the autumn version by changing the model palette.There's a lot of trial and error involved here and it might be a good idea to split our efforts. Who wants to perfect the winter and who wants to work on the autumn? American volunteers may choose to work on fall textures rather than autumn textures :-)best regards,Hans Petter

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I would change only 1 green colour from palette into unexisting red for contrast, install it and see the effect. Then the same for other green colours to see where the colours are in the terrain (forrests, fields etc.).B.Adamski

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Here's a test. I've modified palette entries one by one, focusing on changing all the green hues into yellowish, brownish and reddish. A problem is to maintain the luminance of each color. When it gets blotchy that's because adjacent colors have changed in relative lightness.One might need to write down the original RGB numbers of each original palette entry and ensure that the RGB sum of the tweaked color stays the same. (In other words, change the hue but not the luminance).best regards,Hans Petter http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/42180.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/42181.jpg

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Dear All,I have been playing with this a bit recently. Without guessing at how anyone else would do it, I developed my own method - and here it is ;)First, export your file#10 palette from resreg.res. Now, go fly somewhere, with clear skies and no haze. Adjust the time to midday. Right, now you're looking at the true palette. Compose a nice screen full of scenery and take a screenshot.Now, fire-up PSP or iMage (it's free...) and open your screenshot. Now, using the exported palette, convert the screenshot to 256 colours. It shouldn't change much because you are using the same palette (the differences are caused by FSAA, anisotropy and your video card blending colours together).Here's the fun part. Find a colour in the image you wish to change (e.g. yellow snow). Using an eyedropper tool, click on the colour you want to change. This will highlight a colour in the palette. Now, double-click on that colour and change it! When you have gone over your image and corrected it, save the palette and import it back into FU3.The method is simple and the results seem predictable - to me at least! The method vary a bit between PSP and iMage but he concept is the same. Here's a bit less yellow and slightly more vibrant greens (probably too vibrant...):http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/42660.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/42661.jpgWhat I have found is that one can modify it easily enough but the results can be inconsistent. Maybe we could have 4 palettes to choose from - Summer, Winter, Spring and Autumn (Fall)?? I have one that removes almost ALL snow - and replaces it with red and yellow spring flowers. Makes Mt Rainier look like a scene from Bambi :-lol:-waveJon Point*************************(effyouthree@hotmail.com)*************************

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Yes, that's what I'm doing :-) Please check out the new post "Seasons and Palettes". I figured this thread was too long and too far down the list.We should prepare a full set of seasons and I seem to be the fall (eh, autumn) guy right now. Glidernut, are you going perfect the winter version? Then, who wants to do spring?Hans Petter

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A little strange effect. Winter looks better. Maybe a little less saturation.B.Adamski

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