brucewtb

Hmmm. Well that certainly muddies the waters somewhat in deciding about what cpu to put in a new system. Guess it may come down to how long 2020 will be kept as the 9800X3D does have a big advantage there. It would also be nice to see how the 16 core AMD parts perform. Bruce

Well these are my thoughts as well. Now while I did predict that the release would be a dumpster fire that was more about server inadequacies such as we have seen many times over the years with product releases. I never thought we would be seeing the amount of negative threads we have here on Avsim and elsewhere. It is actually quite concerning as Microsoft have a history of taking their bat and ball and going home if things don't work out as planned. Bruce

Same here I have no issue with downloading 1.4TB - if they are going to allow us to do that bring it on the sooner the better! Bruce

Well I have a total of 19.5 tb of storage on my system 10.5 of which is SSD/NVMe plus another 2 tb NVMe that is yet to be installed. Having just deleted P3D4.5 and P3D5.3 much of that is free space so I will not be going anywhere near FS2024 until we can store large chunks of data locally. Bruce

Only for 24 and may not work properly with PG off - a definite pass! Orbx YBBN has always worked for me. Bruce

Well I guess that is the rub isn't it? What might be called the traditional flight sim enthusiast who has progressed through past iterations of the genre and along the way upgraded their PC hardware every 5 years or so is being left behind. In order to get the resources of Microsoft back in to flight simming we made this faustian bargain that whatever was developed it had to work on Xbox. Maybe the way this is going to work out is those who are able to get the thin client model work well can enjoy the the new features that come with MSFS 2024 (after the bugs are ironed out) for the rest of us there is MSFS2020. Bruce

Local SSD/NVMe storage is relatively cheap these days and it makes no sense to be so dependent on high capacity remote servers and very fast bandwidth for the sim to work acceptably. The day MSFS2024 was announced as being mostly cloud based with a minimal local storage footprint I was very concerned at how it would all playout. Regretably it seems those early concerns have turned out to be well justified. Bruce

Well i will be an interested observer of the 2024 release. My expectation is that it will be a dumpster fire as that is just the way these things go - but very happy to be proved wrong. So I will wait until the dust settles and I get my new CPU/MB upgrade - probably 9800X3D based but may wait for the 16 core X3D part depending on reviews. Good luck to all the early adopters. Bruce

I am no fan of early generation airliners so will leave this to those who have a passion for them. Bruce

Been waiting for this but 829 AUD - a 15% premium on top of what the 7800X3D is going for in Australia. But in bang for your buck terms the price increase is in line with the performace lift it seems you can get in MSFS2020 over 7800X3D. So, as others have noted, Intel is belted out of the park and it seems it could be another two years before they might have CPU that can compete with AMD - at least in games. Bruce

Well that is my take away. As an aside note there seems to be an increasing disconnect the power of CPUs and GPUs at least for gaming. Where are we going to get the CPUs that can fully feed the upcoming RTX 5090 monster? Perhaps in MSFS2024 better multithreading support will help.

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I have seen a report that suggets a 10% boost this GPU for MSFS2020. Bruce

Convert that to retail price in Australian dollars and it would likely be somewhere north of 4000 AUD - so that would be a no. But as the 4080 and the 4090 are allegedly being discontinued anyone in the market for a high end GPU may have no choice shortly. Bruce

Well that is great pity - can't abide Discord! It is one of the more regretable changes in our hobby how these days many developers are largely providing support through Discord. Bruce