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Martin:

I see your computer specs in your signature and you should be able to run FS9 with no issues.  What freeware/payware addons are you running in terms of ground texture etc?

What resolution are you running your two monitors at when flying in FS9?

As well post the main sections of your FS9.CFG file and we'll take a look.

Unless you are running numerous addons in an area you shouldn't be seeing drops in your fps like that - esp from 60 down to 3-4.  Funny you didn't notice in process monitor anything like files not found or something.  Its like you are missing a texture file or something?  Could it be your virus protection program if you are running one?

I know you say this has been happening for years now but can you remember at all if it happened after you installed a certain addon (freeware / payware)/

Thanks.

Look for Howard's Mix here in the Avsim library it's pretty good too

Here are the some .CFG file settings from my .CFG file - try em n see what they do - remember to backup your existing .CFG file first. Note not all entries are shown under each main section. Change or add any missing entries in the sections show and see what they do for your sim.

[GRAPHICS]

TEXTURE_MAX_LOAD=1048576 <-- make this entry 1024 * (1024 * the number of gigabytes of memory in your vid card)

TEXTURE_BLDG=3

TEXTURE_GND=5

FORCEFULLSCREENVSYNC=1

ForceWindowedVSync=1

HIGHMEMFIX=1

SHADER_CACHE_VERSION=1

STALE_BUFFER_THRESHOLD=2147483647

[DISPLAY.Device.ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series.0] <-- this is my vid card - enter these under your vid cards heading

MipBias=6

BiLinear=1

Tablefog=0

[DISPLAY]

UPPER_FRAMERATE_LIMIT=24

TEXTURE_BANDWIDTH_MULT=25600

TextureMaxLoad=30

WideViewAspect=TRUE

UseDeviceTextureCache=1

TextureThrash=1

[TERRAIN]

TERRAIN_ERROR_FACTOR=100.000000

TERRAIN_MIN_DEM_AREA=150.000000

TERRAIN_MAX_DEM_AREA=1500.000000

TERRAIN_MAX_VERTEX_LEVEL=21

TERRAIN_TEXTURE_SIZE_EXP=8

TERRAIN_AUTOGEN_DENSITY=14

TERRAIN_USE_GRADIENT_MAP=1

TERRAIN_EXTENDED_TEXTURES=1

TERRAIN_DEFAULT_RADIUS=40.000000

TERRAIN_EXTENDED_RADIUS=60.000000

TERRAIN_EXTENDED_LEVELS=1307992

Yes some entries look weird from what you heard or have been told but just try them out and see what happens - just remember to backup your original .CFG file so you can go back to it.

Thanks.

jfri:

Post your computer specs and your fs9.CFG and we'll see what's going on.

Thanks.

Nice Rafal. Much better then before indeed.

May i ask what road texture you are using? they actually look like roads. :)

Paul

Thanks man - will let you know how that goes :)

Going in Tuesday for another test drive and if still liking it I will have them run the numbers and see how we do. 2012 Nissan Altima 2.5SL

I know this insn't the forum for this but has anyone else had one and/or know about them?

Paul.

Any more luck here Rafal and Phlux in trying to sort out your blurriness issues?

I've been away from the forums a bit lately with work and hopping for a new car. Hoping to get one soon.

Later guys

Paul.

Yes CaptainKornDog that is true - but I tried a few anyway in the FS9.CFG - it didn't complain about them nor did cause any adverse affects in visuals either. It probably just ignores them if it doesn't know what they are correct?

Paul.

Your welcome Phlux - I still think we can do better. Yours and Rafals PC's are beasts by reading your specs in your signatures.

Rafal: Have you tried MattSC1's suggestions above? Any more luck with your blurries?

I can't believe either one of you have a problem.

Have you applied the 3GB or high memory patch to the FS9.EXE itself? I know there was a program you could run to modify your fs9.exe file that will force it to use more then 2GB of memory - this is different from putting the /3GB switch in your config.sys using MSCONFIG.

Anyways always here to lend an ear and suggestion.

Bye for now guys.

Paul.

If you've tried ALL the settings I have suggested earlier (Did you try the batch file?) - then it must be either some textures you are using or your AA and AF filtering settings for your card.

I use an ATI card now and not Nvidia. My Catalyst Control Center settings are:

Antialiasing - 4X with Flitering set to Wide-tent

Anisotropic Filtering - 16X

Catalyst A.I. - set to Standard

Mipmap Detail Level - set to Quality

Wait for Vertical Refresh - set to On unless application specifies

Antialiasing Mode - set to Quality - Super Sample AA

Open GL Settings - Triple Buffering - NOT checked.

I also notice that in your Nvidia Inspector screen shot that your Anisotropic Filtering Mode is set to user defined/OFF - should it not have something set there and not OFF (since i have an ATI card not I have not used Inspector)

Have you tried what MattSC1 suggested which was:

Adapting Word Not Allowed's Nvidia Inspector settings form his guide to FSX and applying them for fs9. It can be found here: http://forum.avsim.n...e-guide-for-fsx

Paul.

Ok Rafal and Phlux let me know what happens after you have made and tried out the changes.

Phlux your pic doesn't look quite as 'bad' as Rafals (no offense :) ) but with your system ti should be at least as clear as mine looks on both of your systems.

I'll wait to hear what you guys find out.

Thanks.

Paul.

Rafal this may work for you as well

BTW please back up your files before any of these changes so you can go back to the way you were prior to them.

First off I assume you have AA and AF set on your XFX Radeon HD 6950 2GB video card?

Ok try these settings in your FS9.CFG

Change these 2 lines to be like below:

TEXTURE_BLDG=3

TEXTURE_GND=5

Add these lines to the same section (GRAPHICS)

FORCEFULLSCREENVSYNC=1

ForceWindowedVSync=1

HIGHMEMFIX=1

SHADER_CACHE_VERSION=1

STALE_BUFFER_THRESHOLD=2147483647

Try changing your line that reads Trilinear=1 to Bilinear=1 as I've heard that as far as the sim goes one can't tell difference when looking at it - not trying to start another setting war guys just giving suggestions.

Also in your (GRAPHICS) section try changing the value of TEXTURE_MAX_LOAD to be (since you have a 2GB video card - Rafal you would have to set this to TEXTURE_MAX_LOAD=1048576 as you are using a 1GB video card.

TEXTURE_MAX_LOAD=2097152 <<--- setting for phlux

For testing purposes try setting UPPER_FRAMERATE_LIMIT=24

Set these values in your (DISPLAY) section - adding any if you don't currently have them

TEXTURE_BANDWIDTH_MULT=25600

TextureMaxLoad=30

WideViewAspect=TRUE

UseDeviceTextureCache=1

TextureThrash=1

Finally - for .CFG settings - set the following in your (TERRAIN) section

TERRAIN_ERROR_FACTOR=100.000000

TERRAIN_MIN_DEM_AREA=150.000000

TERRAIN_MAX_DEM_AREA=1500.000000

TERRAIN_MAX_VERTEX_LEVEL=21

TERRAIN_TEXTURE_SIZE_EXP=8

TERRAIN_AUTOGEN_DENSITY=14

TERRAIN_USE_GRADIENT_MAP=1

TERRAIN_EXTENDED_TEXTURES=1

TERRAIN_DEFAULT_RADIUS=40.000000

TERRAIN_EXTENDED_RADIUS=60.000000

TERRAIN_EXTENDED_LEVELS=1307992

Now save your .CFG but BEFORE you try to run FS9 I've heard from people that when you exit FS9 writes back to the .CFG file and if it feels numbers are out of whack it resets them to what it feels is the highest value.

This is why I have done the following - BTW please back up your files before any of these changes so you can go back to the way you were prior to them.

I've saved my config - the one I want to keep as FS9.real

Then for the shortcut on my desktop - instead of it just pointing to the FS9.EXE file I've created a batch file on my machine and the shortcut runs that batch file.

I've called mine FS9_START.BAT and have it saved in my root FS9 directory - which in my case is C:\FS9

If you are familiar with BATCH files you will know what I am talking about - If not a BATCH file is just a text file with lines of code that you want it to run.

So in Notepad create a file that reads similar to below - NOTE I'm using my directories so you will have to substitute in your directories - then save the file in your root FS9 directory - or any place you want to on your drive.

The file should look something similar to this: I am using Win 7 so if you are not you will have to change the directory to where ever XP etc saves the .CFG file

@echo off

c:

cd c:\

cd users\(Your user name here)\appdata\roaming\microsoft\fs9

copy /Y fs9.real fs9.cfg

cd c:\fs9

start /high fs9.exe

Now save that file and use it to start FS9 - the start /high will ensure it starts in high memory and uses as much memory as it wants not that it would hurt to modify your FS9.EXE to force it to use as much memory as it wants and not stick to 2 GB or less. as its a 32bit application.

Try that now and let me know how you get along - or if you have questions or issues trying to get the batch file to work for you.

Looking forward to hearing from you and if this doesn't fix or at least help your problems we'll try going from there.

Thanks

Paul.

Phlux:

How could you possibly be having issues with the computer specs I am reading in your signature? :)

Could you post your FS9.CFG or at least the pertinent sections?

Also have you got AF and AA filtering set for your video card?

I don't have near the machine you do and seem to be running the sim just fine - even if I set my frame rate limit to only 24 FPS

Paul

Hey Rafal:

I'll start by saying that some of those entries in my config that you either don't have or have never seen or heard of were things I've seen/read about over the years and even some of them were when people were talking about FSX. I've tried them and they didn't hurt anthing. I'd say add them in and see how it goes.

Secondly, for all the WOW entries you highlighted I would say yes they are values that are way out of the 'norms' we've heard about over the years and people will say that the values are incorrect but hey until you try it who knows. I've arrived at these values from GaryGB whom you've probably seen or seen his posts here at AVSIM and it sums them up in the following link....

http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/showpost.php?p=231814&postcount=7

Give that a read through and try changing your settings accordingly - Remember to backup your files before changing :)

Then give the sim a try and see how it looks.

If it still isn't working then you must either need to play with your AA and AF filtering settings or you may have some texture files that might be either too 'big' or not setup right. Are you using Ground Environment or any other Ground textures?

Lets try a few things at a time before changing everything and then getting mixed up and forget everything we changed so we can't go back.

Thanks.

Paul.

Rafal I will get back to you when I get home from work. Just checking out the forums quickly before I leave for the day.

Talk to you soon.

Paul

I took a pic on my machine SE of LFPG - Compare for yourself.

Here are the same .CFG file settings from the same areas I got you to show me.

[GRAPHICS]

FULL_SCREEN=1

PERFORMANCE_MODE=0

DEF_PERF_MODE=6

TEXT_SCROLL=1

AUTO_LOD=1

DETAIL_TEXTURE=2

WATER_EFFECTS=1

TERRAIN_USE_VECTOR_MAP=1

TERRAIN_USE_VECTOR_OBJECTS=0

EFFECTS_QUALITY=2

GROUND_SHADOWS=0

SMOOTH_VIEW=1

IMAGE_SMOOTHING=1

TEXTURE_MAX_LOAD=1048576

COCKPIT_HIGH_LOD=1

AIRCRAFT_SHADOWS=1

LANDING_LIGHTS=1

IMAGE_QUALITY=0

TEXTURE_BLDG=3

TEXTURE_GND=5

TEXTURE_WATER=1

AIRCRAFT_TEXTURE=1

SEE_SELF=1

TEXTURE_QUALITY=3

LOD_TARGET_FPS=18

NUM_LIGHTS=8

FORCEFULLSCREENVSYNC=1

ForceWindowedVSync=1

HIGHMEMFIX=1

SHADER_CACHE_VERSION=1

STALE_BUFFER_THRESHOLD=2147483647

[REALISM]

INDASPD=0

PFactor=1.000000

Torque=1.000000

GyroEffect=1.000000

CrashTolerance=1.000000

General=1.000000

UnlimitedFuel=False

TrueAirspeed=False

AutoCoord=False

RealMixture=False

StressDamage=False

GEffect=False

ManualLights=False

GyroDrift=False

CrashWithDyn=False

CrashDetection=0

[DISPLAY.Device.ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series.0]

Mode=1680x1050x32

MipBias=6

BiLinear=1

Tablefog=0

[DISPLAY]

UPPER_FRAMERATE_LIMIT=24

TEXTURE_BANDWIDTH_MULT=25600

TextureMaxLoad=30

WideViewAspect=TRUE

UseDeviceTextureCache=1

TextureThrash=1

RUNWAY_LIGHTS_SURFACE_SCALAR=0.4 //adjust values to suit your scale

RUNWAY_LIGHTS_VASI_SCALAR=0.4

RUNWAY_LIGHTS_APPROACH_SCALAR=0.4

RUNWAY_LIGHTS_STROBE_SCALAR=0.4

[TERRAIN]

TERRAIN_ERROR_FACTOR=100.000000

TERRAIN_MIN_DEM_AREA=150.000000

TERRAIN_MAX_DEM_AREA=1500.000000

TERRAIN_MAX_VERTEX_LEVEL=21

TERRAIN_TEXTURE_SIZE_EXP=8

TERRAIN_AUTOGEN_DENSITY=14

TERRAIN_USE_GRADIENT_MAP=1

TERRAIN_EXTENDED_TEXTURES=1

TERRAIN_DEFAULT_RADIUS=40.000000

TERRAIN_EXTENDED_RADIUS=60.000000

TERRAIN_EXTENDED_LEVELS=1307992

Rafal:

Could you post the pertinent areas (Graphics, Realism, Display and Terrain sections) of your FS9.CFG file and perhaps a screen shot of how bad your blurries get and let us know where in the world you took the screen shot from?

Your machine should run FS9 without any issues what-so-ever.

Thanks.

Paul.

What's your PC specs and video card type and size? Can we see the key points in your FS9.CFG file and have you turned on AF and AS filtering? Tried reducing your maximum frame rate?

That's why you are supposed to make a backup of your files first, or at the very least create a 'temp' directory (i.e. FS9_Howard) to install it to so you can see what it is going to replace. Howard's mix is good and they tell you what will be replaced.No you can't go back if you don't back your files up. But they tell you that up front.Thanks.

Check out the A2A 3d light database for aircraft here:http://www.shockwaveproductions.com/store/shockwavelights/3dlights_fs9.htm

Lets hear from Bristol86 and see if the changes suggested made any difference. We're bombarding him with suggestions and he hasn't even told us if he's tried any of them or if anything worked. Lets see what he says.

Try changing / adding the following entries to the values shown below: If you need to add this line in I've put <------ Add, to the right of the entryTEXTURE_BLDG=3TEXTURE_GND=5 TextureMaxLoad=10 <--- Add this line in the [Display] section under TEXTURE_BANDWITH_MULTAdd the following 7 lines under the [DISPLAY] section as wellWideViewAspect=TRUE <--- If your monitor is widescreen oneUseDeviceTextureCache=1TextureThrash=1RUNWAY_LIGHTS_SURFACE_SCALAR=0.8 //adjust values to suit your scale - the higher the values the bigger and brighter the lights appear - and vice versaRUNWAY_LIGHTS_VASI_SCALAR=0.8RUNWAY_LIGHTS_APPROACH_SCALAR=0.8RUNWAY_LIGHTS_STROBE_SCALAR=0.8Change these values as shown to try out:TERRAIN_ERROR_FACTOR=90.000000TERRAIN_MIN_DEM_AREA=0.000000TERRAIN_MAX_DEM_AREA=300.000000TERRAIN_MAX_VERTEX_LEVEL=21TERRAIN_TEXTURE_SIZE_EXP=8TERRAIN_AUTOGEN_DENSITY=14TERRAIN_USE_GRADIENT_MAP=1TERRAIN_EXTENDED_TEXTURES=1TERRAIN_DEFAULT_RADIUS=9.500000TERRAIN_EXTENDED_RADIUS=9.000000TERRAIN_EXTENDED_LEVELS=4 Add this line under the [sCENERY] sectionFSM_TweakMode=Max QualityAlso - just as a test - reduce your Frame Rate limit down to 24 from 38 just to see what happens.Let us know how that works out for you.Thanks.

You may also have a process running on your machine that you don't even know about that is causing the stutters. Use Filemon or the new version of that for Win7 (system monitor or something like that I forget the name of it now) and see if anything is running at the same time as you notice the stutters. I could also be a anti-virus program causing it if you have anti-virus software running on the same machine as your FS setup. Try setting the two entries in your FS9.CFG to the values below and see what happens: If you don't have the TextureMaxLoad entry then add it below the UPPER_FRAMERATE_LIMIT and TEXTURE_BANDWITH_MULT entriesUPPER_FRAMERATE_LIMIT=24TextureMaxLoad=10Let us know how it goes.

It was supposed to help with the speed of loading textures. However, some had said they've found no change while others have said that it has greatly improved their simming experience so perhaps, unfortunately, you are the one of the ones that didn't benefit from it.Seeing your computer specs I can't believe you have stutters at all. I have similar machine and even when setting my frame rate to 24 it gets constant 23.8 - 23.9 fps - it will get the odd little stutter here and there but I think those are due to certain textures used in scenery or ai aircraft textures.You may also have a process running on your machine that you don't even know about that is causing the stutters. Use Filemon or the new version of that for Win7 (system monitor or something like that I forget the name of it now) and see if anything is running at the same time as you notice the stutters. I could also be a anti-virus program causing it if you have anti-virus software running on the same machine as your FS setup.Thanks.

well still look at the first line of my terrain.cfg and make yours match n let us know if that too helps out.....DefaultTextureCount=1261 Thanks