capceo

Thanks! I've been crazy busy flying the jet, and when I do have a reason to fly the 414, I just get lazy and don't bring the cameras. I'll get off my rear end and do another soon.

18 minutes ago, Vlooi said:

Wow. Well done you guys. This is a buy for me. Any chance you may upgrade your great 441 and 402?

Never say never, but it wouldn't be possible to "upgrade" them in the sense you refer to. Each of those models was created in Gmax, whereas our newer offerings are all designed in 3DSmax.

Ultimately, to bring the 441 and 402 up to the standard of the 414 would require, literally, re-doing them from scratch.

Good Evening Everyone,

The exterior model of the 414AW is complete, and has returned from the texture artists. There are a number of texture issues which need to be resolved before the exterior texturing is complete, but I couldn't help sharing these with all of you.

This aircraft represents a SIGNIFICANT leap forward for Flysimware from a quality standpoint, and we think you'll all appreciate the direction our products are heading in.

Welcome to the new direction of Flysimware! Enjoy.

Feel free to click on the image to view full size.

On 6/19/2020 at 7:43 PM, rightseat said:

Looking good! I believe that's your ride, isn't it? It's a good livery.

That would, indeed, be my ride!

Just a quick blended image showing the behind the scenes detail of the Continental/RAM TSIO-520-NB that is fully modeled in our 414AW project! You'll be able to open the lower nacelles and see them for yourselves!

Enjoy!

On 3/20/2020 at 11:17 PM, Bqllzkicker said:

Roger that. Glad to know about a 30 series. I always assumed it could, but never seen it happen in real life in regards to starting. Lol. After it happened to me in the 20 series, figured they were the same. 
 

As for the gpu, wish they could model this. Bc it’s just not realistic. Guess I could just put batt power on and then connect. 
 

If the sounds ever get a refresh, could we pop the EPV CB just to start without the valve movement? I’m really trying to go back in time from memory on this. 
 

Starting to regret this purchase sadly. I’ll give it a couple months, but sometimes ignorance is bliss with some of these planes. Its good work, but doesn’t make me feel the same as lets say Level-D. Sounds and smells man, it’s hard to recreate.

 

Thanks for the reply.

Sorry to hear you regret the purchase. All I can say is that this is, by far, the most complete and comprehensive representation of a 30 series Learjet available for a desktop flight simulator anywhere.

Honestly, most of the time we have the batteries on long before the GPU is ever brought to the airplane.

As for pulling the breaker to get rid of the EPV sound, that isn't how the system is designed in real life. The valve fails to OPEN in the absence of bleed air/vacuum. So if you pulled the breaker prior to engine start, it would fail OPEN which would mean the sound would never go away. The sound you hear on engine start is the valve closing, not the valve opening.

14 hours ago, Bqllzkicker said:

For the Devs,

I first want to thank you so much for recreating my first jet. I've spent countless hours in this plane and I finally pulled the trigger to buy it for FSX. And sorry if I sound hypercritical...I don't want to buy the xtremeprototypes LR25 because the sounds are not accurate on that. This one is a lot better. 

So...I'll bullet point this up for ease.

 

- Electrical - 

On the real plane, You can have the GPU powered on but it wont just give the plane power without the battery switches on. In real life, I would power the GPU cart up then get into the plane to turn the BATTs on. Never will it be completely powered up. This might just be a limitation to the game or something. Just something I noticed when I first got the plane.

- Model - 

At night with the cabin interior light on, there is some light that bleeds through the root of the wings.

- Environmental -

When you start the first motor up with the cabin air switch off, you only hear the EPV close then. On the second engine start, I believe its more of a faint noise but not as dramatic of a whoosh noise during first motor start.

- Powerplant -

I'm almost certain the real plane (I know a 20 series will do this) will start over the gate. You probably can hot start it in idle when throwing to start. I have witnessed someone throwing an engine to start and immediately going to idle (out of cutoff). I just always check to make sure its in cutoff prior to start...but someone not doing a good enough preflight might get caught with a "what the...!" Lol. Will the the plane simulate engine hot start damage?

T/Rs will deploy in the OFF position. Think this is just a game limitation. Can we research this? I know they stow if deployed and then you go to OFF. 

 

Thank you for your hard work!

Sean

You're absolutely right about the GPU. Unfortunately, this is a bit of sim limitation. But yes, the GPU won't connect to the battery charging bus without at least one battery relay closed.

You're also right about the EPV valve closing. Unfortunately, it's impossible to record an engine start that begins with the EPV already closed, so we just have to live with hearing it on both starts. It annoys me too, and I'm the one who created the sounds lol.

Believe it or not, the 35 won't start over the gate. Ask me how I know. If you engage the starter with the thrust lever in idle, it will never light off. At that point, you can just move the thrust lever into cutoff, then right back up to idle, and the sequence will continue normally. Definitely a mistake I've only made once!

The TR issue is also a sim limitation, but if you look closely, they actually aren't deploying. You'll get a quick flash of the DEPLOY light, but they don't actually come out.

On 2/25/2020 at 6:37 PM, G550flyer said:

Lol, but Bob, the new kinder, gentler check rides only evaluate flight management instead stick and rudder skills 🤣

On 2/25/2020 at 6:12 PM, w6kd said:

But more importantly, what kind of lame check pilot lets a guy fly autopilot approaches on a check ride??!!  😨😱

I mean we're still doing six month 135 rides in the actual airplane, doing actual V1 cuts on the runway in a 30 series Learjet.

FWIW, the 135.297 check requires two of the four approaches be coupled.

On 1/25/2020 at 8:15 PM, sho69607 said:

Ok thanks for your help. I do have the CH rudder pedals so I am wondering if there is an issue with the brakes sticking somewhere. There is no indication of differential brakes being on, but I will try adjusting the null zone and see if that helps too. Also one other thing, are there that many corporate/private operators of the 35 anymore? Looks like it has been retired to mostly medevac and cargo missions now.

Sure. Despite the fact that it burns significantly more fuel than modern comparative airplanes, like the Embraer Phenom 300 (which I flew at my last job), its still a fantastic value. In fact, the LR35 and LR55 I fly are both executive charter airplanes.

Look at the value proposition this way: If you want a jet that seats 8, cruises at M0.80, and has 2,000nm of range, 5hrs of endurance, and costs less than $2000hr to operate, what else are you going to buy for the same money?

So, lets compare the LR35 to the modern day counterpart, the Phenom 300.

The Lear 35 is burning 1400pph in cruise at M0.77. The Phenom is burning 800pph at M0.77. In other words, the Lear burns 208gph, and the E55P burns 119gph.

Now lets assume we operate our airplane 300hrs per year. The Phenom saves you 89gph over the Lear 35, or 26,700 gallons per year. At an average retail price of $5.50/gal, that's an annual savings of $146,850.

Sounds great! Right?

Not so much.

A 5 year old Phenom will cost you $7,000,000.

A decent Lear 35 can be had for $500,000.

So what does this all mean?

It means that for the PURCHASE PRICE of a 5 year old Phenom 300, you could buy a decent Lear 35 and put fuel in it for 5,681hrs, or 300 hours per year for almost 19 years, before the total cost of the two airplanes was equal at $7,000,000.

Obviously, this doesn't take into consideration maintenance, crews, insurance, hangars, etc. But the biggest two deltas between new and old is fuel and purchase price. This example shows why the older Lears are still popular, and still a great value. For the money it would take to buy a newer airplane with the same cabin and performance, you could buy a LR35 and run it for a long, long time.

On 1/24/2020 at 12:04 AM, sho69607 said:

1.) Is it normal to require 50-60% N1 to get moving during taxi? Even at 70 percent I am moving at like 8 knots. Small engines yes, but it is my understanding the Learjet will start rolling even on idle thrust.

2.) What are the idle power settings through flight? ITT limits, typical N1 ranges, etc.

3.) How do I control the nose up/nose down switches on the pedestal? pressing them does not seem to have any effect with regards to v/s or pitch.

1) I find that it doesn't take anywhere near that power to get the airplane moving in the sim. Something doesn't sound right here. Just like the real airplane, it should only require a bit of breakaway power, and then should taxi on idle, or slightly above idle thrust. As far as small engines go, the LR35 actually has enormous engines from a relative standpoint. 3500lbs of thrust per side. 7000lbs of thrust for an airplane with a maximum takeoff weight of 18,300lbs.

2) This is a tough one to answer. On the ground, the N1 idle speed is around 28-30%. ITT at idle depends on ambient temperature. At altitude, the fuel computer underspeed protection adjusts the minimum idle speed based on altitude. At 41,000ft, pulling the thrust levers to idle results in an idle N1 of around 75%. This is primarly done to ensure that there's enough bleed air to maintain the cabin. Unfortunately, we couldn't simulate this.

3) The Nose UP/DOWN switch on the pedestal won't do anything unless the pitch trim is in secondary mode. That little white toggle is a backup in the event the primary pitch trim stops working. In fact, part of the first flight of the day check is to make sure that switch DOES NOT work when the pitch trim selector is in primary. When in primary, the only way to trim the airplane is to use the trim hat on the yokes.

Hope that helps.

On 1/5/2020 at 9:49 PM, ComSimPilot said:

On the other hand FSW has so far 4 aircraft that the majority of the simmers are excited. The Lear35, the Falcon50 the C441 and the MU. That's my personal impression, but I feel that these four aircraft is what most people would buy or at least buy first rather than anything previous on their list. So in that respect, I think that remaking 2 instead of 1 "old" models is not too much to ask.For many the C441 was the first aircraft that showcased the capabilities of FSW.

To add my two cents, it's not that it's necessarily too much too ask, but it's important to remember the exorbitant amount of work that goes into something as "simple" as a texture revamp on an older product. For one, they were made using Gmax, which FSW has exclusively discontinued using, in favor of 3DSMax. This means that any remapping needed would have to be done in Gmax, where everything takes 10 times as long as it should. It would be extremely time consuming to bring these models into the new software. I've discussed it with Mark, but for starters, every animation needs to be redone from scratch. That alone is weeks worth of work.

Keep in mind also, the Lear 35's refresh by Wickedbacon took every bit of three months, and he was working darn close to 12 hour days, sometimes more. If I had to guess, he took maybe 10 days off over the course of those 90 days.

So what we're talking about is months worth of work by Wickedbacon, and a significant amount of work away from new projects by Mark to adjust mappings. Working a reasonable number of hours, refreshing the MU-2, the 441, and the 402 is a solid year of work for Wicked. I'd love to see the textures on these older products brought up to date just as much as you, and we may still see that happen.

But it's an enormous undertaking. 

Just as a notable mention, we actually gave several areas of the cockpit which do not have EL backlighting at night, backlighting in the sim. Things that would be basically impossible to find without it.

For example, the rotary knobs for the panel lights don't have any lights at all in the real airplane (ironic). The flap gate also doesn't have EL backlighting in the real airplane, and neither do the oxygen control knobs.

Just now, cwburnett said:

Excellent. Thanks for the speedy reply.  Again, so happy with this purchase.  I don't know where this plane has been all my life, lol.  It is light years more fun to fly than the modern tubeliners.

I will take your advice and not sweat it.  I'm just going to fly like I was before and probably try to heed the ITT limits, just to keep me on my toes.

And, yes, this table is showing MCT N1 limit all the way up at 97.1 with 10C RAT at 5k MSL.  Seemed like a dang high N1 at that altitude.  96.1 is 20C at the same altitude.

I used to fly into NYC for work every other week, would have loved to stop over at TEB to check out the 35!  If I'm ever back that way, I'll definitely take you up on the offer.  Thanks!

Interesting. Next time I fly the 35, I'll take a pic of our MCT chart with the -2C engines and post it here. I worked today, but flew the LR55, and our LR35 is currently down for an inspection.

If it makes you feel any better, our 35, which is the one we modeled the FSW off of, has N1 DEEC's, so every engine parameter is protected. When we apply takeoff power, we just push the power levers to the stops, and if N1, N2 or ITT limits are reached, the DEEC's will prevent them from being exceeded. This is also true at altitude. If you really need to, you can, at any time, firewall the thrust levers, and you'll never exceed a tolerance. (Provided the DEEC's are working correctly, and the fuel computers are ON and working normally.)

I'm serious. If you're ever in the area, reach out. Time with the jets and lunch are on me.

First of all, I totally and completely applaud your study centered approach to flying this airplane. It’s commendable, and quite frankly, impressive. 
 

Having said that, here are a few of my thoughts. 
 

You’re doing the best you can with the performance charts in the AFM, but unless you’ve got the right charts for the optional equipment installed on the FSW LR35, the numbers won’t make sense. For example, the MCT chart is changed by the installation of the -2C engines, which will be reflected not by modifying the existing chart in the AFM, but instead by adding a supplement to the AFM. Same goes for just about every power related chart in the book. The “standard nozzle” chart, is for airplanes that DO NOT have thrust reversers. If you’ve got Dee Howard TR4000’s, like the FSW, all of your power setting charts are going to be in the thrust reverser supplement, not in the AFM. Totally different set of charts if you’ve got Aeronca TR’s. The nozzle parameters change when TR’s are installed, and so do the charts. 
 

I also noticed at one point you said that your MCT was calculated to be 96.1%. Either the chart is totally off, or you’re referring to MCT at very high altitudes. Down low, below 10,000ft, the highest MCT I’ve ever gotten off the chart is 92.x%. 
 

Finally, I’ll say this. We spent a ton of time tweaking these engine settings in the last update. Would I say they’re totally reflective of the real airplane? No. Are they worlds closer than they were prior to the update? God yes. 
 

Unfortunately, it’s going to be extremely difficult to get them behaving exactly as the real airplane does. I’d say don’t crunch the numbers quite so hard, and enjoy the airplane. Heck, I fly the real one 600hrs per year, and I’m still excited every time I fly the FSW version at home. And considering how many hours of blood, sweat, and tears I’ve poured into this thing since Mark and I first started working on it years ago, I think thats saying something!

Blue skies my friend! And again, love your desire to be study level with this stuff. If you’re ever in the Teterboro, NJ area, let me know. I’d be happy to show you around the real thing. 

On 12/15/2019 at 3:55 AM, fofs said:

Looking for Specs on Performance & Fuel System  RE Flysimware Gates Learjet 35A.

Performance

Max headwind component ( KT)

Climb Speed ( KT ) ( best approx ) 250 KT ?

 

Fuel System

Fuel Flow CLB ( PPH )

Fuel Flow CRZ ( PPH) 600 PPH each side?

Fuel Flow DES ( PPH )

 

Many thanks ! 😁

Ill do the best I can here, given that we don't calculate anything in the RW based on these parameters. 

Performance

Max headwind component ( KT) - There isn't one. There is a maximum tailwind component for takeoff and landing, which is 10 knots.

Climb Speed ( KT ) ( best approx ) 250 KT ? - We normally climb the airplane at 250 knots until reaching Mach .70, and then .70 all the way up.

Fuel System

Fuel Flow CLB ( PPH ) - This isn't an easy one to pin down, since the fuel flow is changing drastically as you climb. Ballpark average would be 1800pph

Fuel Flow CRZ ( PPH) 600 PPH each side? - Thats about right.

Fuel Flow DES ( PPH ) - About the same as cruise.

We usually plan for 1500lbs in the first hour, then 1200lbs every hour thereafter.

The sound you hear is the CRT tube in the HSI's and radar display warming up. It sounds just as annoying in the real airplane, I assure you. 🙂

I should probably have been more specific when I mentioned that the ADCs were connected to the Mach meters. The Learjet RVSM STC that uses the IS&S altimeters (like the FSW Lear now has) installs dual ADCs which are capable of reading the indicated Mach from the airspeed indicator, as well as determining Mach speed on their own through the UNS-1. I don’t recall exactly why they derive airspeed data from the indicators, but if I recall correctly, they do. 
 

Al, as far as VNAV data being presented on the GS indicator, this is actually fairly common. As we’ve discussed, the UNS-1 installation in the LR35 will provide VNAV data, but won’t couple to the autopilot. What it will do, however, is display vertical track deviation on the GS indicator, as long as the FMS/NAV source selector is in FMS. If you switch to NAV mode, or “green needles”, the GS indicator will only provide indication of a glideslope. 

1 hour ago, richjb2 said:

Thanks for the clarification. Coding must be fun for these types of autopilots! 

Any working being done to duplicate the autopilot pitch mode using the control wheel barrel switch? 

I just started flying this Lear 35 simulator as means to get familiar with the Garmin FMS  I speed Collins and Universal quite well, but Garmin’s new to me.  I’m enjoying the add-on!

Thanks!

Rich 

I fly two FC530 equipped 35A's, and an FC550 equipped 55. We almost exclusively use pitch mode for climbs and descents, with the occasional engagement of VS mode in a descent. IAS/MACH is useless from a passenger comfort standpoint. It constantly hunts around for the target speed, and never really stabilizes. As you know, its a reactionary system. We spend most climbs and descents constantly bumping the trim barrel to keep it where we want it.

Worth mentioning is that now, the overwhelming majority of LR35's do, in fact, have ADCs, which are connected to the mach meters. This was an added benefit of the RVSM mandate. Both of our 35's and our 55 have dual ADCs. FSI's LR35 and LR55 simulators at TUS were updated quite a while ago with dual ADCs as well.

Al, your interpretation of how VS mode works is correct. The correct procedure for its use is to manually establish the desired vertical speed while in pitch hold, allow it to stabilize there for several seconds, and then engage VS. The autopilot will now adjust the pitch attitude of the aircraft to maintain that target VS.

6 hours ago, scottb613 said:

Hi Folks,

Saw the bald French guy with the bandana land this at St Barts - now - THAT - is impressive...

Regards,
Scott

And totally irresponsible, in my opinion. 

On 9/4/2019 at 8:45 AM, scottb613 said:

Hi Folks,

Started looking around - man - I guess painting this bird is tough as I find very few paints that truly inspire me...

Perhaps we should start accumulating the best of the best - so when deciding on textures - they have a place to start ?

Here's the best one I've found so far (subjective):

 

 

Regards,

Scott

N414XX is Rob Scariano's airplane, good friend of mine.

I could get you as many pics of that airplane as you need.

On 9/4/2019 at 7:30 AM, scottb613 said:

RE: @Flysimware

Hi Mark,

Looks superb - what do you do - get the shop manuals for the model you're working on - that would seem to be the only source for the exacting details you put in on your models... Nice work...

One request I'd like to see added to your models - if you can figure it out - A2A designed a towbar mechanism for their aircraft - click on the towbar - now you simply use the joystick to - push - pull - and steer - the aircraft as if you were operating the towbar yourself - it's pretty slick and smooth... It makes it easy to position the aircraft on the ramp or even pull into or out hangars...

Regards,
Scott

He doesn't have to get the manuals...remember what kind of airplane I told you we own?

😉

The issue you're experiencing is due to a missing font. This is a fairly common issue with all complex addons. Let me get with Mark and Al to identify which font is used by these two instruments, and we'll get back to you.

I'm just going to leave this here...

2 hours ago, MatzeH84 said:

Are there other operational differences between the 2B and the 2C other than the higher temperature limits? As far as I could find out, they made it more durable with longer maintenance intervals, but are there any performance differences as well?

The only real performance advantage is improved climb performance, especially at altitude.

The real purpose of the FREON ON light is to remind you that it's on, so you remember to turn it off before you climb through its limiting altitude. On early airplanes it was FL180, on the later airplanes, it was FL350. Naturally, the two 35A's I fly at work have two different limits, so I constantly have to think about which airplane I'm on as to when the AC needs to come off.

Also worth mentioning is that the airplane doesn't actually have an air cycle machine. It's a plain old electric air conditioning system. The Lear doesn't have an APU, so if it did in fact have an ACM, the only way to run the AC would be to run an engine, since an ACM uses bleed air to provide hot or cold air. The advantage to having electric AC is that we can run the AC on any source of power that provides 28VDC. In other words, we can run it using one engine driven generator with an engine running, or we can run it off a GPU.