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Thanks! I'll try it.

Does anyone know if this works in X-Plane 10? How big a hit does it give on frame rates? TIA (Sorry if this is the wrong forum.)

New discovery: After getting the thing 'flyable', my control problems were 'solved' by moving things to the right, contrary to 'Old_As_Dirt'. 'Everything' in this case is "Stability Augmentation" and "Control Response". I'd been using Stability Augmentation ever since I found it, but only went 'Right-Wing'with Control Response after watching how much the rudder moved when I just barely rotated the joystick. Obviously, I had been over-controlling. My next task is to gradually move the Stability Augmentation back to the Left. Thanks. I wasn't smart enough to try this when you posted it, but that's what it was---over-sensitivity I FOUND THE PROBLEM and I can best express it in this way: the LEFT RUDDER PEDAL works, but the RIGHT ONE DOES NOT WORK. I'm guessing it's an X-Plane problem because I had it on 3 computers, 2 copies of Global, and a few downloads of the Demo. I finally 'fixed it' by exercising the joystick in the Joystick portion of Settings.

The default, I guess. Thanks for the thought. I hadn't really considered that. Thanks to posts here, I'm flying with it now.

No, the installer wouldn't put it anywhere except the desktop. I haven't moved it because I only installed Florida. If I decide keep X-Plane I'll move it after installing the rest of the scenery.

The included Stinson and C-172. I'm using a US $26 Logitech from Amazon.com. Thanks for the folder move tip. I suspected such. My point is, though, the X-Plane isn't 'as advertised'. Turbulence: In MS FS, you don't get the A/C movement from turbulence that you do in X-Plane. If you haven't flown in a light plane---at least in recent memory---you'll not be aware of the turbulence. That being the case, the turbulence you see in X-Plane seems to be a software defect when in fact it is not. I tried it both ways: with having the target directory exist prior to the attempt and with it NOT existing. Neither worked.

Of all the copies of X-Plane I've had (2 sets of global disks, a few downloads of the demo), NONE of them let me install to other than the desktop. When I tried, I got an error message saying that it couldn't 'something-or-other' to that locatio. Thanks to another poster, I found out how to view from alongside, etc. (Chase view, the cursor's 'arrow' keys to positon) I've been flying the Stinson, the 172, and just now an light add-on. Coming from MS FS it's hard to realize the extreme realism of X-Plane and the turbulence you experience in a lightpane. I've only flown in a light plane twice, once in my Dad's plane when I was a young boy, and once in my twenties with a Flight Instructor friend practicing stalls. The latter was the only one where I experienced some turbulance. I've been a passenger a passenger on jets and turbo-props, and I've got 5,000 hours as a crewman in Navy Patrol Planes. You wouldn't believe the turbulance at low altitudes over the ocean! :^O End of my 'blather' ;^)

No, X-Plane did not allow me to install it wherever I wished. When I tried to install it where I wished, the installation did not happen---I got an error message. Yes, I updated to 10.25. External view right click. This is another short-coming of the GUI. Regardless, thanks for the tip! :^) 'My tone'. Let me know what the 'calm' word for 'blather' is and I'll use it. ;^)

A VSI is a BAROMETRIC device. There's NO WAY one should ever almost instantly swing from 0 to over 500 fpm climb and then to over 500 fpm descent. Not only did I discover that I have to calibrate the joystick before every flight, but the A/C become harder to control as the flight progresses---and all I've tried so far is short flights of a few minutes. I've tried the different views and could not find one where I could view the A/C from alongside it---the best view to judge landings. Both the manual and the installer indicate you can install it wherever you wish, but I found that I could ONLY install it to the desktop. That's the first indication that the copies of X-Plane X I've installed---including the demos (plural) I downloaded---were not 'up to spec'. No one should have to read a 185 page to properly fly a flight simulator, and they should especially not have to sufffer wading through all the BLATHER. X-Plane may be the greatest thing for flight simulation since sliced bread, but it has warts. Denying that denies reality.

It really makes one wonder when the VSI says you're climbing at 500 fpm or more but the artificial horizon says you're flying level. It also makes me wonder that X-Plane apparently doesn't give you a means for re-setting / re-starting a flight. Kluge.

It's clear to me that X-Plane 10 is not ready for the casual user. The user interfaces are jokes and whoever wrote the manual has NO IDEA how to write one. It's part novel, part marketing propaganda, and part manual. The worst part is that the relevent parts of any particular subject are scattered throught the TOME. It's now apparent that linke another poster in this thread, I'll have to re-calibrate my joystick each time I use XP X. On another not I finally learned one way to replay a flight. Unfortuantely the views provided are worthless for visually analyzing your landings: you can't look at the plane from alongside.! Really dumb omission. wb05kj: Call me anything except late for supper! ;^)

GETTING THERE! Thanks for all your advice.

I played around with the joystick settings and X-Plane behaves a bit better. I was able to take off with the 172 despite slow acceleration and a top speed of about 70. Control of it was 'dicey'. As I've yet to find a way to stop a flight and reset it, I let it crash, then re-selected the 172. Upon attempting to fly again, the sim had the throttle stuck at a much higher than idle rpm and the joystick's throttle was totally ineffective. As an aside, X-Plane leaves an incredible lot to be desired form the user's point of view. It isn't newbie friendly at all. Fine. What is the purpose of each of the 4 boxes aliogned with each function? X-Plane's documentation is apparently so poor to be non-existent. That's especially poor product developement after how many years? About 20? I doubt it's the flight model. It's with multiple planes included with X-Plane: Stinson, 172, C-130, at least one of the jets.

Yes, calibrated, changed axis. Same problem(s) when trying to fly using mouse. Have just had the thought that the problem is with the A/C; the severity of the problem changes somewhat with the A/C. E.g., The Stinson is unbelieveable; the C-130 is somewhat more controllable, but if I can get it airborne, I get a stall warning with anything other than full down stick---and it still climbs with that. Incredible. I bought X-Plane X because the first short, mouse-controlled flight with it on a Windows 7 laptop was really great. The I cleaned up the system and it's been un-controllable ever since. Three seperate, isolated machines, 2 op systems, two set of disks and two or three demo downloads: all no good.

I've been unable to use X-Plane X (Global) because the A/C are uncontrollable; they go left / right, nose-up / nose-down in rapid succession regardless of joystick input.. I've had this problem on 3 computers with 2 operating systems: Windows 7 & (ugh) 8. My latest is Windows 7. My 'puter & joystick run MS FS 2004 just fine. I fail to understand what could be the problem except that it is within the X-Plane 10 program itself. (Thanks to tech support, my first set of disks were found to be faulty and replaced.) It seems impossible the three 'puters and 2 Op Systems could cause the identical problems. Ready to give up.