Rich W from the Shackleton Preservation Trust here. If anyone wants access to WR963, they're more than welcome, and being on board for ground runs can be arranged to record all the weird little hisses and groans the Shack can make, besides the awesome growl of the Griffons. The other thing that may be useful to anyone considering designing one for flight sim use is the design archive that we hold for the Shackleton as a type (all variants... MR1, MR2, MR3, AEW2 and T4) which contains the original manufacturers drawings. I can be contacted at biggles2000_99 (at) yahoo.com or failing that come over to Coventry on 8 March when we're ground running next. Kind regards, Rich