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Anders, it takes courage to publicly apologize and explain yourself these days. Thank you for your fine example! Others wouldn't even admit that they were rude and keep on. That's why online debates become so suddenly toxic. Thanks again.

We must plainly accept at this stage that GFO at this point is met with moderate to cool acceptance. That doesn't preclude anything. Maybe it's just the hangover following the PERCEIVED mismatch between the announcement hype and the actual announcement. Let GFO sink in people's minds.

People, I humbly suggest going back to the original topic.

The debate is interesting, but without any hard facts why DTG really choose to cut development the debate will just be between "knew it all from the start" and "negative campaigning brought it down".

If ceteris paribus the same exact FSW was done by PMDG (or the now legendary "consortium"), how many of DTG's most hostile critics would now praise the same product as the Second Coming? Just wondering how much criticism is just brand fetish. I really wonder why even PMDG's Robert Randazzo had to retaliate with his long announcement which read by the way as if DTC were always the *bad guys* and they (the "consortium") were always the *good guys* defending our holy flight sim community from foul players. With all due respect for PMDG and other companies, but they are businesses, too, and their market does not live by love for the community alone. Their carefully developped public image as the top notch sim devs and the community's *good guys* is a part of their business plan too, and there's nothing wrong with it! However to say, as others still do, DTG was just in for the quick money, after people barraged FSW so hard from day one, is a bit... little differentiated.

I took the chance and bought most of the addons in the hope that FSW would thrive. That was arguably naive. I can see why many people were reluctant in joining in when there was no complete program. Despite all my disappointment I nevertheless thank the developpers for their promising work. FSW was better than its reputation.

You're right, Tony. Got FSW very cheap, but I also bought literally ALL addons which sums up to a price I would have probably spent better on P3D/XP11. Never again, early-access DLC.

So, here go my money and hopes flushed through the toilet. I learn from mistakes the hard way. I don't begrudge the people who allegedly knew from the start and their tad of schadenfreude. But I still can't be "sad" about FSW's demise, I am more angry. They outlined a greater future and then bang! How could I have been so naive with all the bad omen? Why do they even bother selling it until May 24th? They should end it right here.

Relax, people. One may well like study level sims and even RTFM but does not wish another Boeing. That's all. No need for a demonstration of FS elitism.

Another Boeing jet = Boering.

If you swap just four letters in PMDG, you got the word BEER, just sayin...

Thank you, much appreciated!

FSGU NG is the more comprehensive package and FSG2018 lacks some of its features, like deep-sea data for P3D and local meshes for particular areas, the so-called "showcases". It also has more resolution (1m). I use FSGU (got the DVD version though, which takes a very long time to install), it adds about 80GB to your drive. Compatible with FSX/SE, P3D (all versions) and now FSW. Hope this helps.

Glad you like it. The poor wretch who happens to be layman me is per law not entitled to P3D (and probably other FSX users,too), so I must enviously wait for your stream and walk on to FSW.

Why is it that everytime people advise to switch to P3D that I must immediately think of the legal difference between education and entertainment, and suddenly begin to hear "The Great Pretender" by The Platters in my mind? ;-)

Around the 4 minute mark, it really looks like a live airplane, I think. Has anyone ported PMDG MD-11? ;-)

On Mr. Sors' website there are also other helpful tools, e.g. one for live engine telemetry. Nice, if you're tweaking flight dynamics.

Of course you can install any addon without Steam, I was merely talking of the payware addons.

Hi Thunderbolt44, welcome to Avsim! You must first download, install and create an account on Steam (all free), which is a gaming platform, on which many other games and apps can be bought and run, including Dovetail Games FSW. http://store.steampowered.com/ FSW is also hosted on Steam. You can buy FSW either directly on Steam (just search for it) or in the Dovetail store. In the latter case, which I went by last week, you buy a register code for the game which you manually activate on Steam. Be aware, that there are often sales, so best you compare if you can get FSW cheaper before buying. https://store.dovetailgames.com/eu/de/product/442173/flight-sim-world In either case, the FSW files will be automatically downloaded and installed in the main Steam folder (which you assigned on install). Downloadable content (DLC), i.e. addons like new planes, missions and scenery, can be bought the same way. Once set up, all is very easygoing and safe. When you screw up your files, they can be redownloaded time and again. Hope this helps.

Confirmed. http://steamcommunity.com/gid/103582791458199091/announcements/detail/1666763438058232446

Again we should stress that P3D is the academic/professional side of the ESP branch whereas FSW is the entertainment one. I wonder how many P3D users are at first seeking entertainment in a modern sim since the halt of MS/ACES. Moaning that FSW doesn't take off as an EE Lightning during scramble seems a bit unfair to me after LM have more or less lead the newcomer/upgrader market since P3D's inception because of the lacking alternatives, now more so with the advent of 64bit simming. Let's please not be so spoilt and impatient to the point that we criticize DTG for all the child's illnesses. Rome was not built on one day either and DTG are not LM. I support FSW against all early death calls because as a layman just seeking entertainment (advanced one for sure), I don't have the option to change to P3D.

Hi, this one's already been done. http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php/107678-PMDG_VC-118A_AF1_53-3240_blue-zip

I have joined FSW too, today. The pricing policy is very neat. I hope that FSW will thrive.

Exactly my opinion. As a layman, I am not entitled to a "professional" license for P3D anyways, so that makes my choice rather simple.

That's probably how George Lucas defended the Special Edition and the second trilogy, too... ;-) Less is often more (economical), one should concentrate on the basics, something no better graphic or programme gimmick will ever deliver for you. So, even FS9 still goes fresh (see Historic Jetliners Group and California Classic Propliners)... and I'm 32!