MidFlight77

I say 'let it run'...as long as it has TooWings ;-)

It's my uncle Bill's birthday today too. Proud to be his nephew!

Apparently that scenery is free download content ,,,assuming you've already bought Aerofly FS2 of course ;-) http://store.steampowered.com/app/611210/Aerofly_FS_2__USA_Utah/ And then there's Switzerland, probably payware.. Have fun.

PS I found a torch. It will be great when P3D is up to this level, but we're getting there

Cheers Y. BTW> I think this video is even better, haunting even

Very nice. GTA is still the king of lighting, ambience and textures though

Aerofly FS 2: First Look Monument Valley

This might help fill in some of the gaps to the puzzle It now looks as if Stephen B. is blaming the flight-sim community for the failure of the Nexgen sim, while his second-in-command is blaming some "specific but critical greedy people". Here's a comment on the recent Facebook announcement that NGIS reluctantly posted, after several suggestions from myself- 24 June at 09:20 - Next Generation iNTERACTiVE Software (said): "We looked long and hard at funding possibilities, but in the end we still lacked support in the development area...especially in the 3D engine. We were all set and ready to proceed until greed took a hold of some specific but critical people. The other problem with something like kickstarter is that we never wanted to take money out of the community. We reached out for help and support with development specifically to avoid taking financial assets from them and to include them in the process". - Michael Chapman - Vice President NGiS https://www.facebook.com/pg/NextGenerationInteractiveSoftware/posts/ (Michael's comment, and others, is just below his main announcement.) And below is the recent email that Stephen kindly sent me to explain his thoughts on the matter. I dont think Stephen will mind me posting this email, as he's obviously aware of my feelings to inform the community to help piece together how the much touted Nexgen project folded. It also gives Stephen an opportunity I reckon, to voice his thoughts at this obviously delicate time for him and the team. 6/24/17 at 10:35 PM Rob I'm sorry you're disappointed in my performance, but you don't know me nor do you have a clue as to what went on and the heart break after hours of negotiating and building a concept... and then learning that one of our team members was leaking our stuff to both DTG and LM. Towards the end, when X-Plane 11 was released and P3D v4 actually came out, the entire community abandoned us for these newer releases. But Rob, not one word from you or anybody else in the community cheering us on and standing with us. Our hype (as you call it) was centered around a community and if the community had backed us, nothing was impossible. Do I care what they are saying over on AVSIM, not really, because we did everything we could and when it was obvious that nobody cared, it wasn't worth the concessions being demanded by Diamond Visionics to keep pushing forward, we could have, but there was no support. Since we started NGiS as a community driven project and the community dumped on us from the beginning... I'm not at all ashamed of the effort that we put forth. Who knows... maybe what we were trying to do lite a fire under the big boys and the results are X-Plane 11, P3D v4, and FSW... I'm amazed how closely DTG resembles our business plan. Again, you don't know me, so you don't have a clue as to my humbleness, or sobriety towards my efforts. What I am is disappointed, that a once powerful community who supported one another has gone the way of the rest of the world. - Stephen Borick ----------------------------cut------------ Kudos to Stephen for baring his soul here. But I do find it odd that he is now blaming us, the flight sim community ("the entire community abandoned us for these newer releases") when it was NGIS themselves who battened down the hatches and abandoned the community as it were, by hardly communicating at all with even their own supporters on the NGIS website and Facebook page. Their previous update being over a year ago! and meanwhile his second in command blames 'certain greedy people' on the project. Rob BTW. Interesting comment here from one of the FSDeveloper guys "Seriously, when I look at their manifest called "Golden Opportunity" I already knew it is going to be a failure. The guy having no funds was offering virtual 100K FTE positions as a promise. He was not offering even a single share in the project. All the risks were on the developers having no "ownership" on the work done. Not even a 0.0000001%, nothing. I do know how this golden opportunity to work for virtual funds having no ownership could attract anyone..." -WC

I wasn't so much talking about time spent browsing forums, but also the time that was wasted in planning and debating and drawing up endless wish-lists etc etc, time which could have been spent on other projects/sims IMO instead of the failed Nexgen. Water under the bridge now.

The obvious answer in my opinion is that the flight sim community was harmed by NGIS's flight of fancy project because it sucked two years worth of time, focus and attention from the community. Time that we wont get back. Imagine if all those hours, months and years of endless debate and planning and dreaming about the Nexgen sim had gone instead into focussing on existing and up-and-coming flight sims, how much further on we'd be at this moment.

Exactly. And I feel your pain for being a part of it these past few years.. http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/threads/will-this-sim-ever-fly.437453/ But as the Nexgen website used to say: "With Time Comes Change".

Exactly!

"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things". -Winston Churchill

Get over it. Nexgen failed. Finished, kaput! "Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things". -Winston Churchill

Damn those pesky naysayers! If only they had shut up and not criticised and questioned Stephen's ability to produce 'the best flight simulator on the market'. The reality of course, as Luke and others pointed out in the past, is that Stephen brought that criticism on himself, and he fanned the flames by being both argumentative and soft skinned - a flammable combination. Stephen used to be a fire-fighter in the past apparently. He certainly stoked the flames on numerous flight forums rather than douse them.... https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?296396-What-NGiS-really-is/page8&highlight=ngis

Lets call it 'being economical with the truth'. Just a year ago Stephen B. was telling us that: "On April 26th, NGiS and Diamond Visionics sat across the table from one another and came to the conclusion that two heads are better than one and joined forces as collaborating partners". https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/content.php?16631-NGiS-To-Collaborate-With-Diamond-Visionics A year later and Stephen finally reveals privately that: "After two years of negotiating with Diamond Visionics for use of their engine and never coming to an agreeable point, I felt we had lost our window of opportunity ... so we have closed up shop". However you look at it, its fishy, and it smells the same as the 'collaboration'/'partnership' that NGIS said they had with Unigine...... Question: 'What advantage do you see your simulator having over other simulators such as P3D, X-Plane and the MSFS series?' Answer: "Every advantage imaginable!" -Stephen Borick https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/content.php?16177-Interview-with-Stephen-Borick-NGiS

How right you are! He was very trying!

Exactly! Spot on. Michael said "Usually there are press releases at a certain stage of agreement, which were never released. At a point you get a gut feeling when something is starting to derail". The thing is that many of us right from the start had that 'gut feeling', which we expressed time and time again on Avsim and other forums, yet we were labelled as 'naysayers' and 'whiners' by Stephen and those with more hope than intuition and foresight. Kinda sad though for all those guys who joined the Nexgen team and were given high flying titles to their names such as Senior Vice President, Quality Assurance Director, Leadership Team Consultant etc,. These guys are now just ordinary members of 'the public' (as Nexgen used to call us mere plebs.) A brave new sim Nexgen article "With the recent arrival on to the market of the NGiS (Next Generation iNTERACTiVE Software©), Group, there is a feeling of electric anticipation gathering high up in the atmosphere. They have recently announced the beginnings of a newly constituted gathering of industry professionals, intent on producing a product that will literally blast all other comers right out of their newly generated graphical water interfaces! It is a grand boast, but far from an idle boast. With the confidence of those with years, even decades of expertise in the production of all things ‘flight sim’, the team is already hard at work setting the scene, (and the scenery!). As they get down to the task of beginning the process of writing a completely new program, with no remnants or traces left over from any previous flight simulator versions. This is not an adaptation. It is after all a completely fresh start....." http://www.simflight.com/2016/01/23/ngis-new-flight-simulator-project/ A 'grand boast' indeed. Or what many of us at the time called Hype and Vaporware!

I'm glad to see you are still waving the flag for the 'old tech' sims Paul, as well as being into FSX offshoots such as P3D. I remember a while back when you were heavily promoting the Nexgen flight sim on various forums, despite many simmers and developers pointing out the limitations of both NGIS's approach, and the Unigine engine, which sadly all came to nothing. Latest update on NGIS btw http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/threads/nexgen-flight-sim-has-finally-folded.440395/

NGIS were warned years ago by numerous community members that their Nexgen flightsim would amount to nothing, but NGIS wouldn't listen http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/threads/nexgen-flight-sim-has-finally-folded.440395/

True. Its like nowadays when people say that AFS2 isn't a 'proper' sim.

Ah! Thanks.

Hi Peter Yes a great job. I personally haven't seen anything as detailed and lifelike before http://www.orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/136813-around-lowi-in-aerofly- fs/

Tsk Tsk! You'll need another sim version for proper rain fx ;-)

Amazing video. At first I thought it was Aerofly FS2. (Reminded me of Rob Ainscough's video)