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All I got when I went Trick or Treating this year was a bunch of Tootsie Rolls and red licorice. Also, bubble gum that I'm pretty sure people had leftover from LAST Halloween. I guess I'm just mad at the world in general.

Appears that the Iris PC-21 HUD gets wet inside the cockpit when it rains, making it unreadable in instrument conditions (this according to dialog exchange on the Iris Discord channel.) Developer responded with, "lol, yeah, that's the limitation with XML gauges. We're working on a HTML HUD, but for the moment, use the F-18" Default F-18 HUD also gets 'wet' and unreadable when it rains, btw. I just can't deal with this kind of mentality. Bang, erase, lesson learned - Iris hasn't changed much since the old days (sigh). India Foxtrot Echo, count me in.

No, I suppose not. It would've been nice if Iris had made perhaps just a little more effort system-wise here. Even stock Asobo aircraft have at least a rudimentary cabin pressurization system and core avionics. Advising customers to use MSFS2020's autorudder assist in lieu of simulating a PC-21's PMS is pretty questionable though. Again, everything depends on user expectations. I personally appreciate someone who owns a product being upfront and candid about the features without being biased either way.

Having purchased this now, my initial findings are that this is certainly not on par with a DCS-level study sim by any stretch of the imagination in terms of systems modeling. A lot of systems have not been modeled; symbology on the HUD can appear outside of the combiner glass due to "technical limitations." No environmental control system modeled (i.e. cabin pressurization); FMS is stock MSFS2020 which of course is c-r-a-p. Flight modeling-wise, aircraft performance is actually pretty good. There are questionable spin characteristics according to some, mainly in use of recovery technique in the Iris Sim vs. that of the real aircraft. Power Management System that is on the real PC-21 is not modeled on the Iris Sim aircraft and they humbly suggest you instead simply enable autorudder in MSFS2020. 🙄 Really depends on what you're looking for in a MSFS2020 add-on and whether your reference datum is a DCS level study-sim product. I don't hate the IRIS PC-21, but not sure if I'll ever love it. Overall, Iris Simulations is sorta in the middle between a Carenado product and a DCS aircraft: Not total c-r-a-p but also not the ultimate realism type add-on. Is Iris better than the offings from India Foxtrot Echo? Hmmmm, that is subject to debate.

From the Iris PC-21 manual: "FLIGHT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM (FMS) - While the aircraft uses the CMC Flight Management System, due to technical limitations, we have a modified FMS based on the MSFS 747 unit."

Baby steps. Getting that canopy closed is your first challenge right out of the gate. Stick with it and keep practicing - it'll come to you. 😉

I wasn't a huge fan of Iris' PC-9 series for P3D due to lack of systems depth and glaring flight model issues, but the PC-21 for MSFS2020 looks like it has promise. I'm at least intrigued by some of the videos coming out since it was released.

Game simmers don't want realism, dod gammit. They want to prove they are real pilots by constantly praising the unrealistic winds in MSFS2020 because doing so validates them as being a real pilot instead of just a gamer. Real, real pilots in the real world call out Asobo immediately for unrealistic wind representation, unless they work for PMDG and have an agenda to sell PMDG products on a flawed simulator platform. Then of course the hoards of fake real pilot gamers see the video the aforementioned actual real pilot who works for PMDG posts on Youtube and this immediately becomes the Golden Calf they worship. Meanwhile, yah, the winds in MSFS2020 are thoroughly screwed up and will very likely remain so if until Asobo actually consults with real pilots, this being bloody unlikely as the gamer crowd pretending to be real pilots demand what they think is real because someone else told them it was. On and on it goes.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'll paint liveries for food. Food upfront though. Also, I like to take a nap after I eat so don't rush me.

Windows 10/11 have some kind of built-in Xbox protection protocol that prevents copying or altering files installed by Xbox games/Microsoft Store. The above advice about archiving files out of the Community folder into a new archive file outside of the Community folder is a good workaround. Simply archive file_X out of Community folder into a new file 'C:\file_X.rar', etc. Then extract the file in question out of the new archive. Setting up the freeware MSFS2020 Addon Linker utility circumvents the annoying Xbox protection protocol altogether. It's available here: https://flightsim.to/file/1572/msfs-addons-linker

I only have these stutters since SU11 - before with SU10 and DX11, everything on my rig was as smooth as butter for the most part. Has SU11 changed something with DX11 and/or CPU utilization?

Not good. All it will take is a dropoff in sales for Microsoft to break and run. They've done it before as I pointed out earlier.

Not exactly as simple as this. The point here is that Asobo used a GREAT DEAL of legacy FSX code to build MSFS2020, and not just the scenery engine component. Had they made MSFS2020 a brand new engine altogether with all modern programming tools, we wouldn't be seeing issues that we currently are. Ground friction physics among the most noticeable. Things that were broken in FSX find a new life in MSFS2020 to continue to be broken.

The scenery engine is indeed old with P3D, but MSFS2020 is STILL using the BGL graphics system developed for the original version of SubLogic Flight Simulator released circa 1979, lol. 'BGL' stands for 'Bruce Artwick Graphics Language.' Do a wildcard search of your MSFS2020 installation, i.e, *.bgl.

Even so in the above scenario, without access to the scenery database, MSFS2020 would be quickly edged-out by competitors XPlane or Prepar3D. Prepar3D is really a much better simulator platform in terms of 3rd party add-on evolution. Why would anyone indulge MFS2020 without it's scenery?

Keep in mind though that Microsoft once before dismissed all their entire Flight Simulator staff and canceled production and support of FSX altogether, thereafter granting a license to Lockheed Martin for the development of P3D. It all comes down to the numbers (fiduciary) in the end, but never say never. Mounting inflation taking a toll on disposable income, PC hardware shortages caused by a serious deterioration in the already tenuous Sino/US relationship, etc, could all factor in future planning. One could at least keep playing FSX, even without Microsoft support, but should MS abandon MSFS2020 at some point, they will surely at the same time take down all of the online servers which MSFS2020 is totally dependent on for scenery. The game would be completely nonfunctional after that and all software investment individual users made would immediately be rendered useless. Worse, the Sun will eventually explode one day, taking the Earth with it in a fiery doom of terror. Then NONE of us will be playing Flight Simulator again. Ever. 😞

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are proper bears now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Didn't I tell you guys that Asobo would come through for us??? Everyone was like, "Asobo will never have realistic bears, I'm just going to uninstall MSFS2020". I told you all so to be patient and place your faith in Asobo, for one day soon there would be the bears we all dreamed about. Well, today is the day! We now have the bear necessities to take MSFS2020 to the next level of realism that has to be seen to be believed.

Well, I won't argue the realism factor incorporated into the DCS platform; it's unrivaled as far as I'm concerned. The A-10 module in DCS was actually initially developed as a cockpit procedural trainer for U.S. Air Force A-10 pilots. A2A Simulations currently has a U.S. Air Force contract to provide a Prepar3d-based simulation platform for the Air Force's Pilot Next undergraduate pilot training program, utilizing A2A's custom developed T-6 Texan II module for P3D. A2A's ability to produce a military-grade training package for the U.S. Air Force, based on a desktop simulator, speaks volumes about the capability of the software under the right developer talent. See photo below: Asobo seems, however, to be trying to balance study level simulation features with that of an entertainment-only game and I'm not really sure they'll be able to continue to develop this way into the future. Microsoft has long maintained a culture geared towards profits above all else, and the entertainment sector is king here. I make fun of Xbox, but the revenue therein cannot be overstated, and this is likely the ultimate direction Asobo will cater towards at the behest of Microsoft. I think you'll see Asobo indulge those who want a precisely-tuned study sim, but that indulgence will always have it's limits because investment towards the entertainment-only market will forever be far more profitable. Developers like PMDG are stuck in the middle, constantly attempting to accomodate MSFS2020's shortcomings while also trying to appeal to the study-level simming crowd. Thus, simulations like the PMDG737 will always face uphill battles to incorporate things like weather radar and advanced flight characteristics. Instead, there will always have to be compromises that end-users will have to accept if they insist on staying with MSFS2020 for 'hardcore simulation'. I really don't see a way around it in the long run.

Meowwwwwwwwwwrrrrrrrrrr. You do realize MSFS2020 is officially an Xbox game though, right? I mean, given it's been ported over to PC for whatever reason I'll never know. I guess to give old grumpy people something else to complain about? (Dude below is freaking out about the wind gusts...)

Right on, David. I personally like to climb outside of the cockpit windows (virtually of course) and fly from that position (I like feeling the 500mph wind blowing through what's left of my hair). Before the latest update, it was impossible to fly IMC this way. I mean, it's like PMDG read our minds!

I'm pretending there is working WX Radar by drawing little pictures of clouds on the fully animated visor in the cockpit. I think I may have actually invented a Heads Up Display weather radar!

Exactly how am I trolling???? If you'll take the time to read through the messages here, you'll see the weather problem appears to be isolated among some whilst others are not having problems.

The most important thing is that PMDG finally fixed the visor issue. This is one of the few addon aircraft out there that have fully animated visor deployment sequences (the main reason I bought the 737). I don't think the majority of us even really care about WX Radar or an integrated EFB. Also, who really cares how it flies as long as the visor is doing it's thing, right?

Weather is still working flawlessly for me (MS Store version). No hiccups whatsoever.

Working perfectly for me. If anything, weather is more accurate and timely than ever. Wonder if the optional update has anything to do with this?