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Hi all!I went from a AMD 800 under Windows 98 to an Athlon XP 2000+ and Windows 2K Pro, but now FS2002 gives me headaches. Two main problems:Problem 1) Using a Leadtek Geforce 4 Ti4400 (which worked fine in the old maschine) I can not see any Menus, Clipboard or right-Click menu anymore when running FS2002 in full screen mode. That means the grey menu bar on top, the rightclick-mouse menu, and even the dialog when hitting "esc" key dont show. My game stops if I activate them, but I can not see them. When I switch to windowed mode they are there. Also, I can not longer see the GPS in Captain Sim's Mig-21 as long as I run in Full Screen Mode.This seems to be a Problem with Direct Draw. I tried both the new XP Detonator Drivers from Nvidia, and Leadtek's own drivers that shipped with the card. I tried upgrading from DirectX 8.0 to DirectX 8.1 or 8.1b ...both give me terrible graphic dissortions and all kinds of display errors. So 8.1 doesn't seem to be an option now.Does anyone know a good solid Driver/DirectX Combination that will fully support the Leadtek Card in Windows 2000?Problem 2) This is no big deal, but still annoying...when I use the L-39 addon from Captain sim, I can not longer hear the Turbo Spoiling up during engine startup. For those of you that have this addon, you will know it's a very unique, powerfull sound, and I do miss it. This might be related to me switching to an Onboard Soundcard, since the old wouldn't work anymore with Win2K.To summarize my system specs:AMD XP2000+ under Windows 2000 ProGigabyte GA-7DX+ Mobo512 MB DDR RamLeadtek GF4 Ti4400 /128 MB Ram with XP DetonatorsDirectX 8.0aOnboard Sound Via ACL 97Any help greatly appreciated.

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Hi Colonel,first try to disable FSAA and check if you have the menus in full screen mode then. We wil take it frm there.Chances are your Nvidia registry entries are messed up.Alex

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Ah! I've been meaning to do this, but somehow forgot it during the heap of other Hardware Problems I had recently ;)I'm at work right now, 7 hours to go until I can check FS2002, but I got this thread bookmarked, and if you'r still around later I'd greatly appreciate your help. Thnxs so farRS

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RS,do not worry I am at work too right know. Another 4-5 hours. I will be here later during flights :-). C u.Alex

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>Do you have any other graphics problems? Or is it only >related to MSFS? Before upgrading to the new Rig, with my AMD 800 and the Geforce 4 card, I had lockups in Ghost Recon main screen the minute I started it. And display problems in the Rouge Spear menu screen.All of these use some kind of 2d-menu, which led me to the thought that Direct Draw might be bugged. But today my card passes all DX Direct Draw Tests, even fullscreen.Other than that, IL-2 and Flashpoint are running very well and no graphical problems whatoever.Alex, looking forward to more problem-solving this evening :)

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Okay, I'm starting to be a little ###### now. Since I killed my system today, accidently (and that after it took me two days to install it on weekend) I figured I could as well reformat and reinstall everthing. The Nvidia Drivers came straight on this time.Still the same problem.You are right. If I disable FSAA, everthing works normal, if I enable it (either trough the Desktop Menu or directly in FS2002) it will cause the problems.The Direct Draw Tests with DX 7.0 looked a lot better than the one's with 8.0.Last time I went to 8.1 it was a hellish experience. So, all in all, I guess it got to be some combination of DX or Drivers. Still using the standard Detonators at the moment.Should I switch back to older ones?

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A little bumb for Alex...I know the 3dGuru Site, thanxs, but it's so overloaded with info I didn't find anything. My main problem is there are not many different drivers out there to try, and I can only stay with DX8.0 since DX8.1 will cause all kinds of funny problems.

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If I were you i'd try the 28.32 drivers for guru3d.com. They seem very stable and are Microsoft certified as well. If you had a GF3 i's say something else but since you are a GF4 guy definately try the 28.32s!Hope this helps you out :)Shane

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Do these Drivers support the new features of the Gf4 :(I'm not very knowledgabe in the Driver Race, but I thought that the XP Detonators were the first to cater for the GF4.thnxs for the hint!

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Well, if anyone is still following my torture ;)The new Drivers installed without a problem, but did not solve a thing.The last thing to try is a newer DX Version, but I'm not sure if that will work correctly. Last time it didn't.Might I have a faulty card? But then I suppose I would see more errors, no?

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Load the latest service pack for Windows 2000.... Someone had a similar issue several months back, and the SP update fixed it--it might in your case as well....-John

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You are the second guy suggesting the Service Pack today. Stupid me didn't think about that.Thanks! To know that someone else had a similar problem solved is encouraging.

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Hi Col,I would have gotten in contact with you that evening but you have not been here.I had exactly the same prob and I thought that is was triggered by using NVMax with one of the newer driver ( which are not supported by VMax anymore). I tried several driver reinstalls, even deleted all the NVMax and Nvidia entries manually frm the registry. Nothing helped.Here is how I finally got rid of the problem :This is just a step by step description of what I did, I have not decent technical explanation as to why this and exactly what solved the problem.1. I uninstalled all graphic tweakers. (Especially NVmax)2. I uninstalled the drivers (29.60)3. I installed the Omega drivers. (http://www.omegacorner.com/main.htm)4. I uninstalled the Omega drivers.5. I installed the 30.30 Nvidia drivers.I have not yet checked if it is simply the 30.30 drivers that finally solved the prob or any other stuff. I did not reinstall any other drivers cuz I was happy that I got rid of the problem. Maybe meanwhile I dwnloaded the service back and was not aware that this solved the problem.Now I can enable FSAA either with GTU tweaker, or frm the drivers menu, or directly frm FS2002 and have never experienced the problem again.Hope that probably helps,Alex

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Thanxs for your answer!Hehe, I wasn't here because I shot my system to hell. At the time you have been looking here I was in the middle of another friggin reinstall ;)Sadly, that also means that I can exclude any possiple registry damage from the list of culprits. I'm not using any graphic tweakers either, just standard Detonators...and I tried 3 different Driver sets already.Seems my best bet is still the Service Pack. Thanxs for your help!

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Oh hell, well...if any one is still reading this:The Service Pack did not cure anything. I only see two remaining options now:A) Either there is a hardware damage/incombatibility on Mobo or Card that prevents the card from using specific features in specific situations (sounds unlikely to me, to be honest).:( As we know, Nvidia Drivers support a good range of different options, to access them fully you need the Tweaker. It might be that the default driver installation comes activates options that are not combatible with my current system. These options are stored in the registry I think.Omega Drivers are standard Nvidia Drivers with different tweaking, so they might work. Or maybe the 30.30's might work as well. That is what current your problem, Alex...you changed a lot of deep hidden settings by installing Omega Drivers. U'll see if I can find the 30.30's this evening.

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That is what I was thinking. I changed a lot of stuff with different tweakers. I am tending to the explanation that the Omega driver installation "repaired" some of those messed up settings. After that I could install the 30.30s without problems. And everything is o.k. now. As you are having exactly the same problem that I had, I tend to believe that the 30.30s can cure your problem. If not simply try what I did. You cannot really mess up stuff more than it already is :-).Cheers,Alex

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Well, I CAN mess up stuff if I dont get that system to run DX 8.1 combatible...that's my biggest grief at the moment. The small errors in FS2002 aside, if I upgrade to DX 8.1 and have all kind of graphical errors I've lost.But trying the 30.30 definitly is possiple and will do that as soon as I'm at home. Maybe the other drivers just ship with wrong factory settings for my kind of Win 2000.**small edit**Alex, do you know if I need to be logged in as Administrator for installing Graphic Drivers? I'm using Win 2000 at home, normally under my standard username. But maybe the standard user created by Win2000 has not full write permission to the registry, thus not storing certain settings?

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Hi Rs,In general during setup a win2k workstation even with his big brother the server version, the setup will ask if you would use the account also for the administrator account... (under server version slightly different)In your case if you aren't sure go to your desktop right click my computer and choose manage.The computer management console will start, here you can check different thinks...Go to the folder (they call it containers) Local Users and Groups...Go to groups and double click the administrator group, check if you see your logon name if yes you have administrator rights..In case of no click the add button and choose your user account...Tip if you change hardware reinstall always the installed / or latestservice pack... For trouble shooting check always first your event logfiles, you could save your log files and post them in the *.evt format...How to?In the same console as above choose the event viewer folder, here you see three folders called:- Application- Security- SystemRight click the following two folders Application/System and choose save file as.For example application021807.evt and system021807.evtThen we get in several minutes the total picture of your PC...We can start from here with little steps to help trouble shooting your problems...awfEHAM

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Friends, I thank you all for your replys.I consider the problem gone.While I *still* have no menus in fullscreen mode, at least I have no image disortion any longer when using DX 8.1That means I will have to live with the small FS2002 bug, but at least I know that I *CAN* install the newest games without sending GFX Quality to hell.What solved it was a combination of Omega Drivers, 30.30 Drivers, DX 8,1, and a FS2002 reinstall. None of these alone would have worked. Thanxs for your time and help. Now, finally, my rig is running fully DX 8.1 combatible. And I got a speed increase, too.

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Glad to see that your problems has been solved happy flying :-)awfEHAM

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If you have a VIA chipset you might want to upgrade your 4n1 drivers to 4.40 .You can get them at http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=2Make sure you install the AGP in turbo mode or agp 4x will not work . If you have not already done so edit your bios settings for the best possible performance.Omega's driver page gives a good example of this.http://www.omegacorner.com/ .I do not think the problem is hardware related.The best thing to do is to a low level format AKA FDISK not just a reformat.If you did a upgrade to win2k from win98 I would indeed start over.Do a CLEAN install rather than a upgrade.It really just sounds like there is some conflict of software.I dout it's direct x .You might have left over driver files in your windows dir that is causing problems.Uninstall you drivers reboot .. do a windows search for the following nv*.* now delete anything nv that's left over,except of course for you new drivers.Richard Dillon KATLSr First Officer www.jetstarairlines.com"Bill Grabowski's"ERJ-145 panel Beta TeamMD-11 panel Beta Team____________________________"Lets Roll" 9/11 Specs AMD 1600 XP 512MB DDR GF3 ti 200 64MB SBliveCh Products Yoke and Pedals(usb)Windows 2000 SP2

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