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When Doing AutoLand DUAL!! Do you Flare Manualy or does A/P do it.

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When I do my autoland in the 737's I have to Touch the Aircraft down Manualy. Everything Is right. I mean both A/P's are exstinguished. I just don't know if this is correct. Does the Pilot Flare and touch the aircraft down manualy. The aircraft like lets me move it around at about 50 FT. I just don't understand. Thanks for the help.:)Davidhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/checkcapt.jpg

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If you have set both of the NAV1 and NAV2 frequencies to the ILS Freq of the runway, if you're using Both of the Autopilots together with APP, thus doing an autoland, the aircraft will flare itself. If set up correctly, you should see a mode called "Flare" under "G/S" on the PFD, and the FLare will become active at 50ft...

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I agree with Robin.Just after landing, you have to disconnect the autopilots and then control the rollout.I love this plane...

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>If you have set both of the NAV1 and NAV2 frequencies to the>ILS Freq of the runway, if you're using Both of the Autopilots>together with APP, thus doing an autoland, the aircraft will>flare itself. If set up correctly, you should see a mode>called "Flare" under "G/S" on the PFD, and the FLare will>become active at 50ft...I swere I have been doing that. I just don't know what I am doing wrong. Shoot Shoot. I did the Fmc stuff. Stars, Sids, Trans. I just don't understand. I am really mad. I swere I do all this stuff ILS frequincies, Headings, Both A/P's and even I see the G/s on white till it hits it then it go green, Also the FLARE is WHITE and then 50FT it lets me take control. Please Rob, I think you can help me. Thanks everyone though. :)Davidhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/checkcapt.jpg

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What exactly do you mean by "It lets you take control" ? You mean it disengages the autopilot? Can you take a screenshot of you at 40ft so we can see what's happening?

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>What exactly do you mean by "It lets you take control" ? You>mean it disengages the autopilot? >>Can you take a screenshot of you at 40ft so we can see what's>happening?I can take a screenshot on Sunday evening, Right now I am in Lexington, Michigan for a Vacation Trip. I think the A/P shuts off if I am not Misstaken. The aircraft just lets me take it from 50Ft I mean it actualy might shut off. I will take a chance and say it does shut off when I hit 50Ft, So what can I do to stop the A/P Shutdown? I will take a shot on Sunday. I will post right back in this little Forum Tab. Thanks alot guys. If anyone seems to have the same problem I would'nt mind help. Until Sunday. Thanks Rob. I hope to hear from you again today. Thanks :) If the A/P stays on we have a issue. :(Davidhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/checkcapt.jpg

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>Also the FLARE is WHITE and then 50FT it lets me take control.Have you let the NG land after 50ft? If you push hard enough on the controls the autopilot will always let you take back control of the aircraft. By moving the controls the airplane is assuming that as Pilot In Command (PIC) you are "commanding" to take control for a good reason. Remember this is a Boeing not an Airbus. Boeing does not design airplanes that assume they are smarter than the PIC. :-)Now ducking for cover! :-lol

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>>Also the FLARE is WHITE and then 50FT it lets me take>control.>>Have you let the NG land after 50ft? If you push hard enough>on the controls the autopilot will always let you take back>control of the aircraft. By moving the controls the airplane>is assuming that as Pilot In Command (PIC) you are>"commanding" to take control for a good reason. Remember this>is a Boeing not an Airbus. Boeing does not design airplanes>that assume they are smarter than the PIC. :-)>>Now ducking for cover! :-lol>>and duck you should sir, duck you should! ;-)

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>>>Also the FLARE is WHITE and then 50FT it lets me take>>control.>>>>Have you let the NG land after 50ft? If you push hard>enough>>on the controls the autopilot will always let you take back>>control of the aircraft. By moving the controls the>airplane>>is assuming that as Pilot In Command (PIC) you are>>"commanding" to take control for a good reason. Remember>this>>is a Boeing not an Airbus. Boeing does not design airplanes>>that assume they are smarter than the PIC. :-)>>>>Now ducking for cover! :-lol>>>>>>and duck you should sir, duck you should! ;-) Ha, Well next time, I will get a Screenshot in and also I will see if the aircraft actualy lands it self. Thanks for that. I think you just gave me a Knock in the head and said, " Hello, David Wake Up." Thanks and I can't wait to get home on Sunday. :) People please keep the replys comming. Anything you think could be the problem please post. :)Thanks,Davidhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/checkcapt.jpg

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Not sure there buddy-What happens if you don't intervene? It should slap itself down on it's own. When you say "both A/Ps are extinguished"- when? Does the mode switch to "Flare" before touchdown?Might want to check the aft HTF detractor switch- make sure it's set to JKO and not RETURN.

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>Not sure there buddy->>What happens if you don't intervene? It should slap itself>down on it's own. When you say "both A/Ps are extinguished"->when? Does the mode switch to "Flare" before touchdown?>>Might want to check the aft HTF detractor switch- make sure>it's set to JKO and not RETURN.May I ask where the HTF Detractor is located? Thanks :) This world has so many kind people. :)Davidhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/checkcapt.jpg

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FYI, once the aircraft is on the ground, it is up to the PIC to take over. The NG's autopilot does not have ground steering capability for roll-out.

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David I will try to make you one... Hang tight for a day or two if you can :)

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Actually, Boeing and Airbus have two different visions of the market and also two different philosophies when it comes to Autopilot...That's a long and interesting debate:-wink2

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I an AL the aircraft applies BIAS TRIM at 400 RA, listen for the sound and watch the majic ;-)..[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]

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HTF detractor is now superceded by the CRM 429 discriminator, just make sure its not in manual overide. Also make sure manual teleflex cable is set to emergency 28VDC overide and the barometric pressure switches are at 100Ft. Try to stay aligned on the target, all should go well.:-wink2

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>HTF detractor is now superceded by the CRM 429 discriminator,>just make sure its not in manual overide. Also make sure>manual teleflex cable is set to emergency 28VDC overide and>the barometric pressure switches are at 100Ft. Try to stay>aligned on the target, all should go well.:-wink2CRM 429 discriminator.... Where is that. I am so confuesed about this HTF Detractor. :( Somebody, help. Well thanks everyone so far for this valuable INFO. I have to admit AVSIM members rock. :) I promise to help you all. :)Davidhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/checkcapt.jpg

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David, Ignore Wallace, he is having a go at you, some people seem to like messing around a little too much! :-) Everything is probably fine, it is just that you are taking control of the plane when you move the controls rather than letting autoland do it's magic.Best,Philip Olsonhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/supporter.jpg

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Alright, I think I might have found my Problem. Well when I fly into my Line for my final on the GPS thing next to my PFD. Well I seem to keep everything on including the v-SPEED, THE AUTOTHROTTLE, THE HEADING CONTROL :) Or a screenshot would help. Frenchhornplayer@twmi.rr.com. EMAIL :) Thanks. Man my addrenalen was running. I can't spell correctly now. :) Thanks everybody.Davidhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg

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David, Let me give you a brief explanation of how I do it when I am just messing around, this is going to be down and dirty, not scientific at all. Ok, I am flying along getting near the intercept point of an ILS runway, if this is a casual flight I have the HDG SEL enabled to keep me going where I want to go, the ALT HLD is keeping me at my desired altitude and I have speed selected and the A/T engaged, also I have the frequency tuned into the Nav1 and Nav2 radios and I am watching for movement of the needle to indicate that I am about to capture the ILS. As soon as I see movement I hit the APP button and the aircraft should turn to intercept, then I usually hit CMD B and I am done as long as the aircraft is configured for landing. I don't do anything else and the plane lands itself, I do not turn anything else on or off. It should be that simple to get your plane to autoland, of course you have to configure your plane correctly and make sure your speed is ok or you may have trouble. Philip Olsonhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/supporter.jpg

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>David,> Let me give you a brief explanation of how I do it when I am>just messing around, this is going to be down and dirty, not>scientific at all. Ok, I am flying along getting near the>intercept point of an ILS runway, if this is a casual flight I>have the HDG SEL enabled to keep me going where I want to go,>the ALT HLD is keeping me at my desired altitude and I have>speed selected and the A/T engaged, also I have the frequency>tuned into the Nav1 and Nav2 radios and I am watching for>movement of the needle to indicate that I am about to capture>the ILS. As soon as I see movement I hit the APP button and>the aircraft should turn to intercept, then I usually hit CMD>B and I am done as long as the aircraft is configured for>landing. I don't do anything else and the plane lands itself,>I do not turn anything else on or off. It should be that>simple to get your plane to autoland, of course you have to>configure your plane correctly and make sure your speed is ok>or you may have trouble. >Philip Olson>>http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/supporter.jpgAlright so how do I chose the speeds I want, Do I manualy Change them on the MFD area for the Speed control? Well Thanks verymuch. It seems I can do this. How Smooth will the aircraft Touch down also?? Thanks. :)Davidhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg

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Philip's explanation is great...Do as explained, but do not forget to select your flap and speed configuration (into the FMC, index, approach, then choose 30

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Goodness me, much ado about autolands :DThis has of course been covered at length elswewhere in the forum but can I just suggest that you try my Geezer Guide which is available from my homepage as shown below. It is a full tutorial for a flight and ends with a perfect autoland in NZWN.LMK if you still have problems.Regards,

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