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Hi Installed the PMDG 747.I downloaded the Navdata and extracted into the the folder mentioned in the readme file.I searched the forum and found the tutorial and was following it. to do the flight from KLAX to KEDWExcept.. I did not do the cold start. I started with the warm start..Engine running from the same l1 spot at LAX.I click the FMS and on the first step to update the flight computer woith my current location,I see the Last POS and the GPS pos.. but when I click on either of them to move the coordinates into the word area and then when I click on SET IRS POS. It does nothing.. it does not take the coordinates from the work area.and then If skip that and try to move on, I keep getting "NOT IN DATABASE" in the workarea.Help.Thanks.MAnny

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When SET IRS POS comes up in the work area (scratchpad I think you are talking about?), it's actually the message telling you to carry out this action.You need to clear that message away, then click on the GPS Position and transfer it to the IRS pos line.The manual goes through this in detail - look for 'POS Init'.If you are following this and still get stuck, let us know.

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Mark, yes..thats what I meant.. and yes.. Its still not taking the location.I am following that tutorial. but when I click on GPS pos, It moves the coordinates into the scratch pad and then when I click on SET IRS POS. It does nothing.. it does not take the coordinates from the Scratch pad.Manny

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Manny, Are there any little boxes on the line for the IRS POS entry? I think if you cycle the IRS's off and then back to Nav you can then use the FMC to update the position.

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>Manny, Are there any little boxes on the line for the IRS POS>entry? I think if you cycle the IRS's off and then back to>Nav you can then use the FMC to update the position.Larry,Nope.. There are no ----- lines underneath SET IRS POS.How do cycle the IRS? BTW..what is an IRS?:)MannyI THINK I GOT IT..That did it.. Recyclying the IRS gave me the square boxes..:)Thank you

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But I am getting stuck at the next step.. When I am in rt1..and I type KLAXKEDW and then R3 (CO ROUTE).The Origin and Dest is not being populated...and I get a "NOT IN DATABASe'The KLAKEDW is moved over under CO ROUTEHmmm...

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Have you saved a flightplan of that name into the PMDG/Flightplans directory? Make sure it isn't called LAXEDW as the naming of the plans can be inconsistent.Just as aside, I'm sure the tutorial is a good one but KLAX to KEDW is one heck of a short flight, barely 60 miles and not long enough in duration to get a feel for the aircraft.Not wanting to confuse the issue but could I perhaps suggest something like KLAX-KSFO as a good alternative? The principles in the tutorial will be the same but you'll have enough time to see what's what without building up too much of a sweat. The first and last 30 minutes of any 744 flight are the most intense and if those times overlap it's a recipe for overload!There's even a saved route in the flightplans folder, enter LAXSFO001 into the CO Route entry. (That's letter-O, zero, zero, one just to clarify)

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Hi Mark,Have you saved a flightplan of that name into the PMDG/Flightplans directory? Make sure it isn't called LAXEDW as the naming of the plans can be inconsistent?No...the tutorial did not say anything about saving a flightplan. But lets say I create a flight plan using the FS9 I assume, into the PMDG/ Flightplans directory.. what should I name it as? How would the FMS know about the flight plan in FS9? Hmmmm...I get your point about the short route of KLAXKEDW.. I'll try from KLAXKSFO.Thanks.Manny

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OK.. I tried the LAXSFO001 and it loaded..but it gave me "9 RWY LOAD ERR".Hmmm...I continued on...and it seems to look good otherwise... untilTAKEOFF REF page.. entering the altitude and stuff I go this message "Unable CRZ ALT".I continued on... and set my FD on and the when I tried to change the Speed to the V2 speed, I am unable to change the IAS in the AP. (I was able to do this...when I was simply flying around). Yes.. I placed the cursor in the right place till I got <--> an all.Manny

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OK, I'm at work so unable to reproduce this, but I GUESS that error means something about a runway selection that is invalid. So what I would try is to load the flightplan, go to the DEP/ARR page and select a runway for departure.A flightplan handles the bulk of the flight legs but every flight would call for a different departure or arrival runway and SID or STAR so you still need to add those to the flight.So yeah, load the flightplan, select a departure runway and SID if appropriate, then go to the LEGS page to clear any discontinuities. Once you have a break-free flightplan, activate it.THEN you should do the performance data and hopefully it should work fine.If none of this works I will generate a flightplan for you tonight (it's 11AM here right now) and test it in my own aircraft then I will send it to you. Let us know if any of the above helps first.Cheers!

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Thanks Mark,I appreciate your help.I downloaded the cold start that was in the tutorial and going through everything from scratch...cold start (instead of the warm start earlier)and I am stuck at the SET IRS POS again. When I cycle the IRS.. meaning OFf-NAV-ALIGN (all three) and I open the FMS, I see the blocks for me to enter the coordinates..along with a message "ENTER IRS POSITION) so when I press 4R (GPS position) and then 5R (SET IRS POS), the blocks disappears.. without accepting those coordinates.(Mind you at this stage.. I have not loaded any flight plan). I entered KLAX in the field REF AIRPORT which it took... I also tried to enter a Gate ..but it wouldn't take it. I tried I1, L1, I 1, L 1, GATE L1, GATE L 1, ...nope.. It says "NOT IN DATABASE" I have a feeling it doesn't know its present position.Mannyunder NAV DATA (IDENT) = AIRAC-0506 ACTIVE = JUN09JUL06/05CODATA = PMDG001------------------------------------------Reading the manual, it looks like once I press the 5R (Pos INIT) to take the coordinates , it will accept the coordinate but will not display there..it will become empty. if that is ok.. then I thought, everything is ok and proceededI loaded the flight plan... and set everything noted the V2 and trim..and closed out the FMC and the TOP Panel and looked at the PFD ...its PFD is not looking good.. the box next to it is blacked out

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OK, going back to your IRS POS INIT issue. The GPS co-ords are definitely the best choice for accuracy so we'll stick with those.Excuse the details here but I want to make sure you get this right, it's not a complex process once you know it. (honest!) The problem is not related to the source of the data, the problem will be stemming from the state that the IRS systems are in.Assuming you're going through a cold start I suggest loading the startup situation that comes with the 744 to start with. (PMDG menu, 'load a flight' select the cold and dark situation)I will assume you are able to follow the procdures for starting up the systems but briefly here are the important steps that must be completed first.--------------Battery ONExt Pwr 1 or 2 ON (depends on which one is shows as AVAIL)Standby Power AUTO--------------The trick with initiating your IRS units from a cold start is to move the selectors from the OFF position to the NAV position. This should require one right mouse-click on each of the 3. If the IRS selectors are in any position other than OFF, set them to OFF first.Don't worry about ALIGN, that mode can be ignored for this flight.You should now see an annunciation on the Nav Display in the top left corner showing a countdown to alignment for each of the three IRS units. Regardless of what the countdown time actually is, NOW go to your FMC, clear the ENTER IRS POSITION message and enter the co-ords as you described. If there is a warning tone the moment you put the co-ords into the SET IRS POS line, simply repeat the above process (copy GPS pos, paste into the SET IRS POS line). This is the Boeing method of confirming your position if the aircraft has been moved since the IRS was last shut down.Whew! Hopefully this makes sense. Let me know if this sorts you problem out.Finally can you let me know where you got this tutorial from? I'd like to see if it is putting you wrong anywhere.

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All right.. I shut it down and started warm start... Just brought the FMC, cycled it...did what I needed to do... Loaded the LAXSFO001 flight plan,, loaded the Gorman4 Departure runway 6L... and set the LNAV and RNAV and I tookoff..and its on AP for now tracking the course..:)so far so good.I atleast got it off the ground.Well it did the course as per the DP.. since the DP is not tied to the route.. the LNAV got disengaged and was heading somewhere.. I have now turned it to intercept the Route.But how do I tell the AP to follow NAV? you know ..the route instead of my headings?

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Provided you have the Standby Power selctor set to AUTO this seems a bit odd. The tutorial seems OK from a procedural standpoint but I suspect that the situation files you are using with this aircraft are the source of many of the problems here. I think it is important that you DON'T USE the ColdDarkKLAX.FLT and ColdDarkKLAX.Sav files.So... In a final attempt to solve the issues here... :-)Load up the PMDG load manager and chose a moderate passenger and cargo load, ensure that there are no values in RED. Save the configuration.Load your aircraft using the 'create a flight' menu, set the airport to KLAX and choose a 'Gate Heavy' gate.Go to the PMDG menu, select the 'Fuel' options section and load 40 tonnes of fuel, this isn't exactly accurate but it will be well and truly enough for an hour's flying. Note that this will pre-set your fuel switches to a ready-to-go state, you should leave them alone from here on in.Carry out the tutorial steps from 'Preflight' to the 'Route' page section. Don't forget the IRS discussion we had earlier.At the route page point in the tutorial, load the LAXSFO001 plan instead of the LAXEDW one.Then for your PERF INIT page, carry out the rest of the tutorial start up procedures but with reference to your LAX-SFO route.At the end of your startup procedures you should have a route showing on your ND and with the Flight Directors on you should be able to ARM LNAV and VNAV (they'll appear in white under the TOGA indications on your PFD)If you get this far you're well on the way!Can anyone from the Dev or Beta team review this thread and see if we've missed anything?

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>Did you clear the discontinuities form the flightplan?>>LEGS page, captain! :-)Hi Mark.:)Welll I just figured..I had to do something.. I went to the FMC and saw the discontinue message.. I cleared it and saw some waypoint on the right..Thogut I could do a direct to those waypoint..but I keep getting NOT IN DATABASE.Hmm..I think I have gone far enough now with your help... to start reading. I just want to make sure that the Database or whatnot that is required is all setup correctly.:)Manny

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You can step through your route prior to departure so you can avoid this (although it can happen in the air too) that is why checking and having someone else check what is put into the FMC is correct is vital. On the EFIS control panel (with the legs page open)select PLAN then on the legs page push the STEPT prompt. You can now view the entire route in this manner and connect-modify any items you find along the path. To perform a DIR TO simply LEFT CLICK on the RIGHT "KEY" next to the waypoint (this will place the wpt into the FMC's stratchpad) then LEFTCLICK the upper first LEFT "KEY". These are called LSKs (Line Select Keys) then push EXECUTE. The plane will now fly dir to that selected point.[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]AMD 64 4000+|ASUS K8V DELUXE|SAPPHIRE ATI X800XT PE|MUNCHKIN 3200|80 gig SATA|DELL 1905FP 19" LCD|TRACKir PRO|PFC JEPPESEN MOONEY YOKE|CH PRO PEDALS|

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Randy and Mark WOW.So all those NOT IN DATABASE messages I am getting is due to PILOT error? :)well..I messed up and hand flew the sucker to SFO runway 27. I couldn't even get the ILS Frequency set... so went visual.But I did a nice touch down... absolutely pretty looking. I came a little fast...I was like 210 kts at 500 AGL .so I dead sticked it (F1 actually) and touched down at 150 kts... reverse thrusted using my let two engine Throttle (cause my Ch throttle is set for a twin not 4 engines)... maintained the heading with the right rudder.I am now on a 120 second play back loop enjoying my work here... :) I have the Megascenary sanfrancisco and the Fly tampa SFO Airport...and I had downloaded the Lufthansa paint job...and its spectaculer. :)After I read your post.. I got the FMC and did what you said... and it seems to do it. Oh well.this is my first flight. :) I'll get there.I was avoiding the heavies.. but I have a feeling I just might get hookedBTW.. I have a nice 19" elo touch screen monitor (my second monitor) I placed the FMC on it and it works great.But the overhead panel looks neat when I place it on the right monitor.. except with the touch screen..I lose the right mouse button functionality.:)Manny

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Glad to hear you're getting there Manny!Come back to us if you need any more help, though I'm away for a week and a bit from tomorrow I'm sure there'll be some folk here to help out.Good luck and glad you are liking the heavies, it's a lot of fun being at the top of the aeronautical food chain isn't it? ;-)

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>Glad to hear you're getting there Manny!>>Come back to us if you need any more help, though I'm away for>a week and a bit from tomorrow I'm sure there'll be some folk>here to help out.>>Good luck and glad you are liking the heavies, it's a lot of>fun being at the top of the aeronautical food chain isn't it?>;-)Thanks Mark.I am sure you guys will hear from me... :)I'll talk to you after a week then. Yes.. its fun.. landing it...hand flying and landing is fun.. But need to figure the FMC thing to make it auto land and everything.Take care.Manny

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The FMC can seem at first a bit to fathom but in it's basic form it is a pretty simle tool to use. The FMC really has one pactical purpose, that is to make the pilot's job easier (in theory). You input information for the FMC to calculte your flight parameters based in part on what you input. You input position, weights, route (RWY - ARR etc), cost index, crz altitude, thrust, temps and flaps. From these the flight management computer makes calculations, some but not limited to vspds for takeoff and landing, opt/max flight levels, performance settings for climbing, econ speeds for climb/crz and descent, top of climb point, top of drop point and end of descent point. The 747 will even suggest step climbs in given circumstances. The key to working with the FMC is knowing how it interacts with the automatic flight system. If you set 10000' on the mode control panel and the FMC has a crz altitude of FL240 the aircraft will stop at the MCP altitude. If the aircraft was in vnav it will now enter vnav alt mode. This allows the pilot to retain vnav in a tempoary level off situation. To resume it's climb one simply resets the MCP altitude and pushes the altitude knob on the MCP. Another example would be not setting the MCP to a lower than crz altitude 2 minutes before the TOD point. If you did not reset this the aircraft will actually stay at that altitude and if you wait too long you will not be able to capture the calculated path for descent. Of course there are many more things to learn to be proficient handling this incredible machine, it's the challenge that pilots who spend years studying know all too well. [h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]AMD 64 4000+|ASUS K8V DELUXE|SAPPHIRE ATI X800XT PE|MUNCHKIN 3200|80 gig SATA|DELL 1905FP 19" LCD|TRACKir PRO|PFC JEPPESEN MOONEY YOKE|CH PRO PEDALS|

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Randy, I see your point about figuring out how it intereacts with the other system.BTW.. I found this in another thread here.http://brettdonahue.com/content/view/13/25/Brett has done one amazing job with the FMC tutorial.. Albeit its for a 737 ..but its 95% transferable knowledge. I also love his format.MannyMy lesson plan:1. The FMC. (I'll start warm ..engine all up and running for now) using DPs, STARs, Approach's.2. The Auto Pilot (MCP)3. Do a full auto land.4. With ATC (RCv6), ability to Radar vector in the midst and direct to etc.. adding waypoint in the middle while enroute...5. Engine start and shutdown.6. learning to get other information.. like nearest airport, frequencies (NAV and Comm) of airports and airport information...:)

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