Hey Guys,I'm working with a UAL 767 captain now who's giving me a wealth of information on the landing view perspective.... Here is a shot of my lates work, as well as a reduced photo of a shot he sent me. You can see where I'm coming from with this new design! Feedback much appreciated! p.s. I've never been able to fly the VOR/DME 13L/R approach at JFK right before... with this panel, I nailed the approach yesterday!p.s.2 You're all probably wondering what to do about intstruments... it's really easy to add thos undockable gaugues from gauthier.

Very nice, but I think that for simming purpose, the previous one is more usable.I think most of us will try both and choose the one he prefers :)Really great job !!Best regards,Guillaume

>Very nice, but I think that for simming purpose, the >previous one is more usable. I agree. Ability to glance at EADI, to look at the ILS cues and pitch angle during flare is very critical for a pilot. When I switch to a landing view I do it around the gear deployment and stay with this view all the way down to the runway - obviously I could not have done it with the view above.Michael J.

What are your thoughts on glancing, as in having pop-up gaugues for reference. In the real aircraft, you'd have to look down to see your instruments, wouldn't you? Thanks for your input though... it's really a give and take situation isn't it? =)Phil Geddes

>What are your thoughts on glancing, as in having pop-up >gaugues for reference. I personally hate pop-gauges since they destroy the "panel perspective" for me and they remind me I am flying on a PC. Returning to the landing view as done by Lee Harrington I recall during testing one of the testers invited his real 767 pilot-friend to help with selecting the right zoom, perspective, etc. This is the result of their labour. The pilot apparently ultimately remarked how incredibly close to the real thing this view was. (set zoom at 0.71).BTW, there are some nice 767 real "landing views" shots on airliners.net. I am not sure whether real 767 pilots raise their seats on landing (might be a personal choice) since apparently they enjoy a pretty spectacular forward/down visibility anyway. Michael J.

The r/w plane looks quite low on approach IMHO.Greg_________________________ "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return"-Leonardo Da Vinci

Michael,Some of those fantastic shots were done by "Jake"... who is in fact helping me out with my view... lol He says that his view is actually higher than that in front of his pictures. He said to me "you can see clearly see the windscreen wipers during the approach". He does have to look down to actually see his EADI. That real shot I posted above for comparison was actually taken by him...Would you mind sending me or posting a screenshot of Lee's panel? Thanks a bunch! Phil Geddes

It is! Logan airport allows low approaches to be made on RW4R.Phil Geddes

Well, pilots don't need to look at the instruments at final moments because they can fly seat-and-pants and and feel what the plane is doing. For us we need the instruments because we can't feel it (until we get a virtual cockpit so we can fly with active cam :) )I like Lee's panel (thanks a bunch Michael for the link :) but I think it should have the center post and the top part of the windshield to make it feels more "enclosed". Right now it's like flying in an open cockpit.

Not when there is a ship in the channel right off the approach lights!Lee Hetherington (KBED)

I just completed my 4th lesson in a C172 today, and all 1.1h, including takeoff and landing, were with all instruments (except RPM) covered. I was amazed at how easy it really was using seat-of-the-pants feel and sight pictures, and I'm extremely inexperienced.Lee Hetherington (KBED)

Phil,Would you mind explaining to me what a low approach is? :-zhelpGreg_________________________ "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return"-Leonardo Da Vinci

The weather was too good here in Boston, so I headed over to catch some fog at KLAX... Okay, okay... I'll try getting some instruments in this thing... For now, I'm using these nifty pop-ups. Notice the approach lights. Normally, they would not be visible... Phil Geddes

This landing view, where can I download this. Sorry for asking again but I missed some things last weeks.

Hi Lee,Good luck with your private certificate. I started mine 10 years ago (in the SFO Bay Area), gave up and just re-started last year with successful check-ride last Feburary.You're right (in VFR) I never ever look at the instruments, other than a reference point from the IAS indicator when turning final, and then only a glance. It's all in view perspective and that all-too-important "seat of the pants" (which I've learnt to trust unquestionably, I wish we could get that in FS).Bruce.PS. Looking forward to that landing view for PIC too.