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I would second Patric's request. This aircraft is simply the best that has been produced for FS2000/FS2002. Andrew suggests there isn't too much work involved but if time is short then perhaps a volunteer with the requisite skills could help out providing the remaining members of the 767PIC team or WILCO don't have any objections?Thanks chaps!

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Matthias,I AM awake thank you and what relevance is the age of a product if it's still the best around. I notice you don't mention which forthcoming addons will beat the 767PIC. I suspect that many will try but few, if any, will actually achieve those claims.The panel is just a small part of what is so appealing about the 767PIC. The FMC remains the best of the bunch (yes, I do have the DreamFleet and PSS747 but consider the 767's to be superior).I have invested a considerable amount of money in the Aerosoft MCP747 and have no intention of dropping the 767PIC even if it means not upgrading to FS2004.Oh, BTW, the original 767 panel by Eric Ernst is probably closer to 4 years old than 2 which goes to show the quality and lasting appeal of this superb package.

Awaken as well, I must agree with Ray. 767PIC is by far the best around. No other panel offers this level of FMC, automated flight, emergencies and so on.Exterior models are of (almost) no interest to me. I usually play my sims as the pilot in command, not as a cloud.Rotating engines and densed-bitmapped-exterior-models are usually covering for an average functionality (hint hint).I was among the first to invest in the MCP from Aerosoft, and was the first to ask about the EFIS/EICAS compatibility. I can't describe how much I want these babes to work together.So let me join the "Please" X 3 call, and make the EFIS/EICAS work with 767PIC.P L E A S E !Ilan

It is amazing how SOME around here act like they are big PIC fans just to put it to the grave in the very same sentance! Get a grip, while there are for sure some very nice up and comming aircraft, there is not ONE 767 anywhere in sight. I have almost ALL add on aircraft {well those worth my time} and as of yet not one of them even comes close. So before you blow your horn maybe you should wait till one comes out to compare it with the systems etc of a 3 year old product that still rules the FS skys! In my opine some of the WELP team just don't care enough to keep PIC going. A couple of hours sure is not asking much is it? Best Wishes,Randy J. [email protected]" A little learning is a dangerous thing"

Hi Randy,In my opine some of the WELP team just don't care enough to keep PIC going. A couple of hours sure is not asking much is it?I understand Laurent's circumstances have changed quite a bit in the last year and he is not able to devote the time to the project he once did. Don't be too hard on the team - if we want them to co-operate then it doesn't seem entirely fair to criticise when we don't know all their circumstances.I've written to Laurent asking if he can spare some time to help and if I get a reply I'll post it to this Forum and/or the Aerosoft Forum.Regards,

Well if you consider the fact that they have been hard at work on a new Package it sort of makes you wonder. I meant no disrespect towards any WELP member but whatever thier reasons are you can tell buy the almost complete absence of them from our forum as regards to things like this or any other question etc regarding PIC that they are no longer interested for whatever reason. I have never got even a responce back with a question from those whom I have tried to contact. Best Wishes,Randy J. [email protected]" A little learning is a dangerous thing"

only a few things i can say1) PIC767 was intended for 20002) it had errors(been there from the begining so no need to call me 'a not big-enough PIC fan to say this)3) PIC team spent alot of time to fix em, wich is normal for a commercial productin my opinion here is where the team can say: we stop. Program works like a gem on it's intended platform4) FS2002 released: PIC team, expecially Laurent and Wade(not sure about pedro or Eric), made the compatibilty come true.5) bugs for the FS2002 version fixed6) ADDITIONAL patch for the 3rd party compatibility realised.and now people dare complain they should make the rest of the products compatible to it... hmmmm... that's like someone having WORD3.0 demanding MS to update it to WORD XP(2002)...perhaps a bad example but it points out my point ;)If Aerosoft says: we're not gonna make the EFIS-EICAS compatible with the 767PIC, bad for them they'll lose alot of customers via that way, i mean, what could it be, a few tweaks and it should work with pic... it's not the Pic-team's responsability to do this.If they DO do it, call us a very lucky crowd of fanatics as these people do things for us they're actually not obliged to do.People have their limits randy, and i can agree with Laurent taking a bit more absence now as his situation DID change alot the past years. Same goes for Eric, Wade and Pedro. About Wade i'm not sure but he's got reasons enough(see the old forum's posts...) to stop supporting the community, yet he doesn't be gratefull to him for that.You know, you could now see the Team like yourself, vamping up(freelance) a project to make people have again more fun out of it.You know, i hope, Randy that this is not a personal attack. I'm just pointing something out here I think all the members should know.WELP is working on a new project and their commitment to the 767PIC is totally on their own decision.Hope my point is taken well and will not be served a nasty reply.

None taken Lenny. I support the Welp team in whatever they plan on doing. As to PIC, yes they have made some very important upgrades but I would venture to say that the upgrade patch for FS2002 was more a business decision than a personal thing! There's nothing wrong with this but nothing is done upgrade wise unless there is something in it for them or Wilco. Maybe they will give us a new 757/767 for Fs2004!!!! Whatever they make I will be one of the first in line to buy.Best Wishes,Randy J. [email protected]" A little learning is a dangerous thing"

@ Ray : PMDG : 737NGSSW : A310-300I am sure those add ons will be better (not only a matter of time between the development of PIC 767 and those)@ cvrm :Why can I not be openminded enough for other products? Why shouldn

You seem to be missing the point...This topic was originally started so that the PIC team members, (Especially Laurent), could see that there are people out there that would like them to try to make an update the the 3rd party patch. It wasn't started so people can bash the 767 PIC team or its users.If you read my post you'll see what this topic is really about.http://ftp.avsim.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboa...rum=DCForumID33One of the things that is way off point is this...>If Aerosoft says: we're not gonna make the EFIS-EICAS >compatible with the 767PIC, bad for them they'll lose alot >of customers via that way, i mean, what could it be, a few >tweaks and it should work with pic... it's not the >Pic-team's responsability to do this. >If they DO do it, call us a very lucky crowd of fanatics as >these people do things for us they're actually not obliged >to do. In a nutshell:Aerosoft can't do anything with the software ie: modify it to make it work with their hardware. The only ones who can are the people who own the rights to the 767 PIC software which is one of the PIC team members. Andrew (Aerosoft) isn't a software hacker. If it can't be done the legal way, then I guess there won't be an update...The 3rd party patch that was released by Wilco was done mainly for the Aerosoft MCP which ALOT of people are using with the 767 PIC. To make another small update to that patch would actually be business wise as more people would buy PIC which in fact is putting money into the pockets of the PIC team.Yes, 767 PIC is a couple of years old, however that doesn't mean it's not worth updating. Until they come out with a plane that does what the 767 PIC does, people will still buy and use it.The A320 PIC project is being done by a seperate group of programmers (not the 767 PIC team). To use this as an excuse not to work with Aerosoft for EICAS/EFIS compatibility is dumb.Andrew from Aerosoft has said he GAVE a brand new MCP to Laurent when he wrote the 3rd Party Hardware patch and he is willing to send him the EICAS/EFIS hardware as well if he is willing to spend a couple of hours making the necessary patch. If Laurent can't do it due to personal commitments, maybe he would be willing to contact another team member who can.Best regards,Ken

Randy,<>I'm not entirely convinced they are. There's been no news on this supposed new package for some time now. I believe it's been quietly dropped. Just my own personal opinion you understand.Cheers,

Matthias,<>Sorry but I won't be downgrading from a 767 to a 737 - not under any circumstances. How do you get across the pond in a 737?As for the Airbus - again, no thanks. I've never been a lover of that aircraft. For this Brit Boeing rules - well apart from Concorde of course! :-)Cheers,

hey, the Soberlair Boeing 737-800 with winglets made it accros the pond on a record time... so no problemo ;)shouldn't try those europe-carribean routes tho!!! :D