open letter to 767PIC-team

[Guest RogePete]

Dear 767PIC-team,what else could one say than: LOOK AT THIS FORUM!I'm not able to remember ANY flightsim-addon(-forum) which is still - after more than three years - in such a rush. We all know how fast the pc-technology is developing. We all know how fast the software-industrie is coming out with newer, better, "faster" and more furious programms. What is the reason to still use this forum? What is the reason to develop addons for the addon (like the TCAS, thanks to Lee)? Nostalgia? For sure not!!Maybe some day that will come: "Let's look into the 767PIC forum, just to celebrate the good old times." But now, after (i can't say it often enough) MORE THAN THREE YEARS, the 767PIC isn't a nostalgic plane. It's just state of the art - still.Okay, one can make some bitmaps, little gimmicks an gadgets better now days (caused by the developement of FS and pc-hardware). But in the matter of flying an airliner, I would say in some points the 767PIC is even still ahead of her time.So in my opinion the 767PIC has become more than just an addon (that's a philosophic question: is an addon still an addon if addons were developed for the addon?). No (as you didn't know the answer...).So the bottom line is: the 767PIC team has done a perfect job.I totaly agree with the statement of someone in another thread:the question is not if the 7676PIC will work with FS9,the question is: will the FS9 work with the 767PIC?I don't want to lose this great plane, because some nerds from Redmond tinkered together a new thing called (holy sh..., what a name) "A Century Of Flight". So I please you not to let this great project (yeah, that's what it is) die.We have several possible opportunities here:1. You are nice guys and make a free update for FS92. You make a payware update for FS9 (Me and most of the fans will pay for that, I promise). 3. You are developing a totaly new 767 with all the quality and features we are used to. And this new 767 will come out 4 weeks after the release of FS9 ;-) ;-) (okay, 5 weeks)4. You make the source code available to a well known developer like Lee (?), so this project is able to continue.5. You do nothing at all and leave us behind, crying, wailing and begging.Can you stand this responsibility? ;-)Best regards,a trusty fan,Roger (Germany)

[Guest RogerRoger]

Couldnt have said it better Roger.I am happy with options 1 to 4 above, and would happily pay to make it work with FS9....come on guys, put us out of our misery and let us know if PIC and FS9 will ever work together.RgdsScott

[Guest obk]

An update is worth everything I have (well, anything thats worth some brass!)! I think that WILCO will have to be contacted for the source code, but just think of the potential that would give us 767PIC fans. First off, some of are dieing for the FS9 update, secondly, a 757 EICAS and FMC data! Wouldn't that be lovely!The oppurtunities are endless! Just think:- In built acars to work with Vatsim/NOAA wx services and VA's!- Wx radar on EHSI!- TCAS on EHSI!- Pressurisation panel on overhead!There's so much that could happen to 767PIC but I think it's being held back.I too agree with Roger. 767PIC is the sim, MSFS is the scenery. I think it's up to MSFS as much as the team to create a patch.Cheers[br][/img][/font][/b]

[Guest ilh]

First, I'm not in WELP's league.Second, there is no way WELP is going to give up their code and magic to anyone else. Why would they?Third, hopefully there will be a next project from WELP and/or a patch for to make 767PIC work in FS9!Lee Hetherington (KBED)

[Guest Boaz]

Yeah!!!!I am willing to pay full price for ANY update!!!40$ easily for a download!!!Really I would LOVE for you to include some more stuff, the FMC is as real as it gets, but the overhead lacks some stuff..Really I think some included stuff, POSKY cooporation and wammo you can sell this mother to MANY MANY of us simmers over one single weekend!!!That's like some months of work and you'll be honored and paid like movie stars :)Ah maybe I went over the top there, but em you know what I mean!WE love you so much!!! :DBoaz...

[Guest]

Hi Roger,Thanks for the kind words. I can already tell you the future is one of the 5 option listed :-)Laurent Crenier,PIC team

[Guest Stratus_Fractus]

Please say it ain't #5.

[Guest BoeingFreak]

Hehe i dont think he would smile if that was the option! He aint that mean? Is he :(

[Guest]

Nicely said -- the key observation is that the PIC767 is the sim -- MSFS is the environment. Hard to imagine that the team and Wilco will not either extend the life of this amazing product or provide the ability for someone else to do it. It's the only MSFS product that works completely with the Aerosoft Australia MCP (although not for now with the forthcoming EFIS/EICAS extensions), has the best performing FMC (nice job by PSS though on their Dash 8),and still gives me a thrill every time I fly it. I will keep my FS2K on my computer as long as it is the only sim available that the PIC will fly in.

[Guest Dodiano]

Ok I just want to say I would love you could help Cockpit Builders although regardless you do it or not I do want a pic for the New FS2004, but I hope you could help us the cockpit builders to make our dream of our sim as close to reality as possible using PIC all we ask is that variables from autopilot and Overhead panels could be read via FSUIPC or any other software so that we can make a cockpit usin 767PIC as a base Wade said it could be possible this to be inplemented... Not asking for any codes just a way to read values hie you can help us out.Thanks.Roberto Soriano

[Guest Muppet22]

>>>>Hi Roger,Thanks for the kind words. I can already tell you the future is one of the 5 option listed Laurent Crenier,PIC teamWell that tells us absolutely nothing! :(

[teropa]

Roberto!I'm in the EXACT same situation as you!I'm in the process of building a full-sized B767 simulator with a couple of friends. We WANT to build it on top of PIC767, but the problems are:- not able to extract any data through FSUIPC (or by other means), which means that there's no way of making MCP displays work, no way of making a reliable overhead + dozen other things :(. This is really eating me up :-hang , because I think PIC767 is the most phenomenal PC desktop addon ever produced, and I do NOT want to use anything else for the project. There are NO Project Magenta SW available for the 757/767 family, and I just don't see myself doing an NG 737. Not yet. And an Airbus... :-erks :-erks.Besides, I have already learnt so bloody much about the operation of the 767, that I just don't want to convert to anything right now, other than maybe the 737NG, but it's still "raw".- there are no more problems ;)Boy, I just wish they would redo the 767PIC, I would honestly have NO trouble in paying a 100-200 bucks for a redone PIC that works with FS9. Hear that, Wade ??????Give us a NEW baby to fly with... ! :-bat regardsTero

[Reset XPDR]

Laurent,As a member of the PIC team, I would have thought you would have haunted this forum for the last few years. I see this is your first post, after joining AVSIM today. Please excuse my suspicion if you are the real PIC team deal, but this is a bit sus hey?Gary

[Guest gat12]

I too am also building a full 767 sim. Has anyone talked to Peter Cos from Flightdeck Solutions? I think... that with the hardware they are using that you can use PIC as your base sim. God I hope thats right. At least thats what I believe from my dealings with Peter.I would LOVE to see an update for PIC or even a new PIC767, but in the end I WILL STILL FLY MY 767 either in FS02 or 04 doesnt make a difference to me.And I too would pay full price of software even if it were an update only.I read that the new PMGD 737 is suppose to be the "new" standard for flight sim's...they didnt set the standard, they just followed the standared that was already set. PIC767 SET THE STANDARD! and is still the standard as I am concerned.How many other add-ons got such great reviews and awards like PIC767 did? DONT LET PIC767 DIE! PLEASEBrian350+hrs. PIC767

[Guest RogePete]

Hi all,thanks for the support to all.As I'm reading all the posts again, I think it was not very clever to make the option 5 available. ;-)Yes of course, the 767 is still standard and a kind of "role model" to all future developements. Let's make it clear: the main reason why I love the 767PIC is that she is actualy DOING WHAT I'M TELLING HER (no, there are no similarities with women). When you have the chance to look at other addons with similar complexity (like PSS or Dreamfleet) this is not the case. When other developers stop with their work and release the addon, the 767PIC-team continues.A good example is the autopilot. Apart from the disgraceful ILS-capturing in general (the PIC-team was the only one who solved the problem), you just have to use the HDG-knob on the common AP to see what I mean. If any Airbus or B737 in real life would show this behavior (hasty turns to a furious bank) like we have it in FS, the air-sickness-bag-industry would have phantasmagoric turnovers. And to dissapoint all people who are hoping for the new FS: most of these problems still exist in the next generation sim. All these little bugs and problems where solved by just one developer-group and one panel. And that's why I like to keep this aircraft alive.Regards,Roger