I'm trying to add a few SIDs and STARs to the FMC of 767PIC. I've had a fair amount of success but I am having a problem with the format and the syntax of the .wst and .tr files. Looking at the default files, I have been able to deduce a lot, but not as much as I would like. I've checked navdata.at but lo and behold the ONLY format they don't give tutorial for is PIC. Somebody help me!

The PIC767 manual covers this in the FMC section starting at Page 77.http://www.pic767flyingclub.com/siggies/ds.jpg

The 767PIC manual tells how to programme the FMC to fly a SID or STAR. That's not what I am trying to do. I'm trying to create .wst and .tr files, as found in the navdata sub-folder of the FMCWP folder. So far I have done fairly well, but I'm not where I need to be. I can set up a STAR and have the acft fly it, but I get waypoint indicators where I don't want them. Need more info.

I believe that is what the reply is about. The manual dos indeed tell you how to use the FMC to create your own SID/STAR files, and even tells wher to locate them in your FS folder to back them up for later installs :-)

Mabey i am not understanding this but try theFree PIC Editor V2.3 for creating SIDS,STARS APP for the 767Nebojsa

Once again. I'm not trying to find out how to to use the FMC to programme SIDs and STARs. I can already do that. I am trying to create a file from within the "navdata" folder. There is a syntax involved in doing this that is NOT in the FMC manual. A typical .wst or .tr file will look like this when opened in Notepad:W,LVZ,,0,41.272807,-75.689471,111.599998,0.000000,0,0,0,W,JENNO,,0,41.152921,-75.331408,0.000000,0.000000,0,0,0,W,HARTY,,0,41.071189,-75.089894,0.000000,0.000000,0,23000,0,W,STW,,0,40.995818,-74.869015,109.599998,0.000000,0,0,0,W,LENDY,,0,40.914832,-74.135258,0.000000,0.000000,0,19000,0,I've figured out the following:,,,,,,,,,,I'm still at a loss as to what A, B, C, D, and E are. hat's what I'm trying to find out. I've tried searching all over the net to no avail.~Tango.

Hello Tango>trying to create a file from within the "navdata" folder.>There is a syntax involved in doing this that is NOT in the>FMC manual. A typical .wst or .tr file will look like this>when opened in Notepad:If you go to http://planepath.com/html/767_pic_utilities.html and download the Free PIC Editor you can make SIDs, STARs and IAPs without knowing the format of the 767 PIC. Free PIC Editor is a fill-in-the-blanks designer/editor. I'd recommend that route, for now, unless you just want to know the formats.RegardsTerry

THANKS!!Though you didn't answer the question directly, this tool will do the trick. I'm downloading it now! I'll post back and tell you how it works. I still need the syntax, but I can deduce that once I start to fill in known values etc. Thanks a lot, really appreciate the help!~Tango.

Okay I apologize . . . when I replied above I thought we were talking about the Level D 767, not the older 767 PIC for the other sims. Sorry. Please disregard my prior post about the FMC sid-star writing. I didn't pay complete attention to the post origionally and only saw the part about "writing sids and stars"

As it happens Free PIC Editor is available right here at AVSIM (isn't that just ducky? LOL) But alas, I've encountered a problem. Free PIC Editor seems to be an FS2000 only application. It works with 2002 but it's not reading the navaid file of FS2002 and so I can't insert any navaids. Another problem is that when I set up an arc it gives me very eroneous coordinates for the ARC waypoints it creates. For example all the coordinates within a 12 miles radius of the navaid the arc surrounds has a latitude of N18...YET Free PIC Editor calculates a waypoint on the arc at N17. hen when I say ok, let me run the sim and see what happens. When saved as a .tr file the FMC doesn't recognise it AT ALL. If saved as a .wst file then it comes up in the FMC arrivals list, but not with the transition, but then there is no graphical display on the screen representing the arc. Unless I'm doing something wrong. I have more success with manually inputting the details. Still awaiting the syntax because Free PIC Editor isn't doing so well for me right now.~Tango.

I rebooted my computer and lo and behold Free PIC Editor no longer works! LOL! I keep getting a prompt saying that it has generated errors and it would be shut down by Windows. I uninstalled it and then reinstalled and the same thing keeps happening. Oh well...Terry...send me the syntax buddy! My life is easier with the more complicated things in the computer world! All I need is what each parameter is for. I am a real-life ATC so I can read approach plates etc, no need for tutorials. I ca fiddle around and make headway after that. Thanks in advance!~Tango.