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Terrain detail texturing and frame rates

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Im just curious what folks see if you turn off the check box for terrain detail textures in the graphic settings screen. I am running a Voodoo 5 on a T-bird at 1.4ghz with a 7200rpm HD and 512mb PC2400 DDR. I was kind of stunned at what an improvement I am seeing when I turn this off and Im below a few thousand feet where you can start to see this. I have seen my frame rates go from mid teen and low twenties right on up to the high twenties(sometimes almost 30) with it turned off. Im just wondering if this is peculiar to the Voodoo and how it does texture memory. All I miss are the grainy surface detail on the ground bitmaps and runways. It seems like a super trade off. Still looks great and now Im smooth with almost no blurries at all most of the time. This is with everything else set where ive had it for quite some time. I did a bunch of testing and it literally gives me about almost a 30% improvement at times and most always gives about 15-20%. I usually set my frame rate at around 18-20, now I can put it up to about 25-27 and still have crisp terrain with little pop-up.Hornit

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Funny you should mention this, as I turned off detail textures about a week ago in th search for smoother flying. I'm a VFR flyer, and for me, the terrain looks a lot better without it on, and at the cost of frames being increased! I'm in for some of that! :-lolMy card's a GF2 MX400, btw :-)http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/edenw/FS_..._banner_je8.jpg Long Live General Aviation!

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When I had a Voodoo 5500 I had it turned off because it did severly impact performance. With my Geforce 4 Ti 4400 I don't notice any impact on performance at all. I think the detail textures do improve the look of the terrain in many instances, as it does add an extra element of texture and colour variation over standard terrain bitmaps. For example, I was flying over a sandy-coloured texture yesterday and noticed the extra texture layer of orangy-brown dirt on top of it. I think it does add significantly to the realism but perhaps not all the time. The problem is that it doesn't seem to be very selective as to what gets "enhanced" and what doesn't. So some bitmaps look the worse for it imo.

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Ahh just another little thing to add to the growing list of concessions keeping this card is causing me. I think its time to pop for the GF4 as the prices have come down dramatically, especially for the GF4 ti 4200 and 4400. I will HAVE to have something better for LOMAC when it comes out.Hornit

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yea what are you doing with a Voodoo card anyway? Those are so outdated. You can get a new GeForce3 card today for well under $100, and the new G4, just over $100Go for it!With that system, 20fps is awful. You should be seeing double with a G4. I get 50 fps average with all details on max, this is with a GeForce3 Ti200, Athlon XP 2000+

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"yea what are you doing with a Voodoo card anyway? Those are so outdated. You can get a new GeForce3 card today for well under $100, and the new G4, just over $100"It's embarrassing for people to be constantly told that they need to go out and spend money to be up to someone else's standard. Maybe that's his eventual goal, maybe that isn't. Maybe he'd rather spend $100 taking a family member to the doctor, or on a new carb for his dune buggy. Whatever the priorities, $100 is a lot to spend for some folks. Granted he concedes a new card may help. I always get **ss*d when I see comments like yours. He came in asking for help, and there's someone dissin' his card....And 50fps average? Go to LAX, max all your settings, max AI, look at one of the terminals, populated with AI aircraft at the gates, and prove to me you're getting 50fps.... I get 50fps "average" on a P3-800--because my average flight is over open country and in/out of the simpler airports like KPHX.... A new vid card, especially going from a V5000 to one of the new Nvidia cards, will not increase performance in the way you advertise, although it may improve fluidity and visual quality.

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You're almost right...Krispy Kreme donuts...I have to admit it ddddiiidd innnnfluencceee mmy rrresponse.But I FEEL FINE....REALLY....WAIT, WHY AM I SHOUTING? WHAT THE HECK IS IN THESE KRISPY KREME'S!

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Whenever I'm faced with the dilema of having to turn some graphics settings down I want to go shopping. So I did and I took the wife with me. I explained to the wife how I'd had my current putter for five years and and and that I really needed a new one for my new billing program and and and she said that if I buy her a new external plexter cd writer for her computer, that that that I could get a new putter. The credit card number is entered and I got my finger on the button right now. (already priced the components separately and not that much difference in price): Gotta order by the end of this month or shipping goes up!!!!! From Alienware.com .Case: Dragon Full-Tower Case (340-Watt PS) (Space Black) Processor: Intel

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Intresting thread here. I just posted a help one yesterday about getting a vidio card. I have a P3 800, 512 megs pc133 ram, running a Voodoo5 5500 64 meg Agp card.this set up has been running all my flt. sims just fine, maybe not everything maxed out but the detail high enough that I'm happy with it. the only reason behind the new card thing is I want to be able to see these shiney new reflective texures that are coming out an the Voodoo isn't showing them.I might be updateing the system next year but for now I just want a good card that will run on my P3 and give me what the Voodoo does plus those shiney textures.http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/reddog/481497.jpgSceenshots and Pics athttp://comunity.webshots.com/user/reddog18951USMC Retired

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As long as you have the PRO version of 2k2 the V5 can do reflective textures with a little tweaking. The problem is that the alpha channel that defines the amounst of shine is read differentyl through the V5 in 2k2. If you have a way to invert the alpha channel,presto!, Shiny textures.

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"..........give me what the Voodoo does plus those shiney textures."Scan this site, and perhaps the tips site at FSGateway. There's a workaround out there somewhere for the Voodoo 5000/reflective textures problem. It's a bit of a challenge to work through, but I know that those who've tried it like the results.A few months ago, I was left with a hard choice--I had a Voodoo 3, and although fps were good, visuals were very poor. With the release of the GeF/4, GeF 2's and 3's plummeted in price. I picked up a GeF/2, and never looked back. I also have a P3/800, and I have a good mix of FS settings that has given me hours and hours of fun simming. The other night, I took Flight1's Cessna into the AZ desert, and buzzed the Autogen trees, cruising 200KTS at 100 ft...and maintaining my target fps of 25.... Very smooth, very fluid, and almost as intense as any combat sim, trying to plot a course between those trees. But alas, the virtual FAA (my daughter) came in and asked me to pull up the Lunette the Clown website.... I was busted!

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I guess in my post I should have said I have the standard version not the Pro. Yes I read about that with the pro version and some tweaking you can get them to work.What about the ATI cards, even on my other thread they are not mentioned only the GF cards. Also can some one furnish some brand names to buy because i have no idea what to buy or what to stay a way from. Thanks for any and all info.Also I'm running WIN 98SE.http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/reddog/481497.jpgSceenshots and Pics athttp://comunity.webshots.com/user/reddog18951USMC Retired

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You can do the same tweaking on the standard version. DXTBMP can be used to invert the alpha channels, and it is available as freeware.-John

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Whenever someone has a low spec system (no offense at all) I would suggest to turn terrain detail textures off before sacrificing anything else. It is a framerate eater on low spec systems and it also is a serious trigger for the blurries problem. Also if you have a "low end" system you will only get like four blocks of textures loaded with them on medium altitudes which really looks a little ridiculous. I started FS2002 with a PIII 1GIG and a GF3 (was not called Ti at that time), and that was my experience.With a high end system that is completely different. With my XP2100+ and my GF4Ti I can not see any difference in framerates or texture loading whether it is turned off or on. And at 1600x1200x32 it simply looks (sur)real.Alex

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Someone above posted about their frame rates being in the 50's....:) Yeah I can do that too actually and don't have to turn things down much really to do it. Just use a default aircraft and go fly around above 10,000' and I get great frame rates!! Easily into the mid 30's with nice eyecandy. The clincher is I like to fly lower and do lots of pattern work and sightseeing so im happy keeping the frame rate in the low twenties, allowing nice looking vfr scenery AND decent frame rates. Those who never had a V5 don't realize the power of this card. Yeah its getting long in the tooth, but it still runs EVERYTHING very nicely, IL_2, FS, CFS-2 etc. My only concerns are I will be upgrading the computer also in the near future to P4 2.4 or better and want to be able to take advantage of newer DX features when they come. Im one of those who doesn't upgrade on the bleeding edge, it saves me tons of money, and its always a nice benefit relative to my last hardware, even if Im 6 months to a year behind everyone else. Trust me the V5 is great card, its a testament to how long its been able to hold its own with these other cards. Personally I would stack up the V5 against anything but the GF4's and ATI's newest offerings.Just for the record Ive been simming for quite a while and the guys who need to thump their chest about this or that don't get to me any more :) I have my eye on a GF4 4400 and likely by next spring Ill wait to see what happens with ATI's latest powerhouse and how that all shakes out.Hornit

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I hear that hornit. Miss the old days of playing at 4xFSAA on my V5. But it did't get along so well with Fly!2 :( . Anyway, now I'm running on an ATI Radeon 8500LE. For $320 CDN I couldn't possibly pass it up. It's a good alternative for those who are looking to replace their V5, as it runs better than my GF3Ti200 did. Kinda nice to finally see a Canadian company doing well in the vid card industry. Especially since I fly over their HQ every school day :) .

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now this the first reply I've seen that mentions the ATI cards, all has been the GF cards. how good is the ATI card and any particular ones that I should be looking at. I just called around locally and circuit city has the GF4 Ti4200 64meg agp card for 199.99 the brand name is IO Magic which I never heard of, has anyone else. They say it's a good one. http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/reddog/481497.jpgSceenshots and Pics athttp://comunity.webshots.com/user/reddog18951USMC Retired

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hiyaIs it not true that Terrain detail texturing makes the nice watery wet water that we so love?I do not think i could live without that :)If i am wrong then it goes off tommorow !anniette xxxxxxx

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I don't have the link handy... If it's not in Avsim's library, just do a search under google using "DXTDMP" and "Martin Wright". You should find an active link almost right away. I used this great program to redo my Flight1 421 textures. I lost reflections, but now there's no fps hit, and the textures are sharp as can be.

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I dont think it does anything to the water, thats done by the water detail/reflection slider. It just adds a layer of what I call "graininess" to the terrain and runway/concrete that gives it a slightly better appearance when your down low. I don't run with the water effects maxed out either, I prefer it on detail only. Try it and see it has a decent impact on frame rate and personally i don't miss it at all. I probably won't run it even when I get a better Video card either!Hornit

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The 8500LE runs pretty nice. When I had it setup properly I could run the Falcon50 in VC mode at around 25 fps at 1280x1024 with most settings maxed. It's a card for its pricing. Although the new 9000 should be better for about the same price. Anyway ATI's are worth looking into. If you want to see a huge performance increase with your V5 disable multitexturing. On my 8500 this gave me a good 8 fps increase. The only downside is the slight loss in quality of the surface textures.

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Hi Anniette,you are right it does the water. However many of us do not have any water where they fly. I used to fly a lot in Germany e.g., not much ocean there. When I flew in a scenery with water around I put the terrain textures back on. I found out that in areas with a lot of water around framerates go up pretty quickly anyway, so in that situation I was able to take the hit of the detailed texures.Having said that, I am glad that with my current system that is no concern anymore.Cheers,Alex

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