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I am sure that this is going to open up a can of worms but...I plan on purchasing the FDS MCP Kit and wonder what is the best way to interface it with FS? EPIC, FSBus, InterfaceIT, Hagstrome. My plan is to start with the MCP then add the glairshield, use PM or FreeFD for the MIP and the FCU so I will need some expandibility, but am not a programmer. I have a funny feeling that functionality is inversely related to ease of construction/programming. Thanks and Blue SkiesKevin

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>I am sure that this is going to open up a can of worms>but...>I plan on purchasing the FDS MCP Kit and wonder what is the>best way to interface it with FS? EPIC, FSBus, InterfaceIT,>Hagstrome. My plan is to start with the MCP then add theThere are actually a few more choices regarding cockpit interfacing,see here for a partial comparison of features:http://cockpit.varxec.de/electronics/cockp...lectronics.htmlManuel

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FSBUS is really easy to interace I interfaced 30% of my MCP this weekend like in an hour, I couldn

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Kevin,Have you looked at Integrated Flight Systems http://www.iflightsystems.com/ ? Click on Documents then FSCockpit Software Manual. All the switch, LED, and numeric display functions are listed at the end of the document.Richard

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Even if you only do MCP now, you'll do overhead maybe one day. Therefore I have only 1 opinion: FSBUS all the way.Since the introduction of CCC to FSbus there is no competition from the rest in my view. Photon is also very interesting cuz of the price and the availability. However, as I said: if no CCC or CCC-look-a-like ... NO competition to FSbus.

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IOCards have a full solution for cockpits.http://www.opencockpits.com/index.php?newlang=englishIOCards is the fastest system (Non commercial), you can use LPT or USB port, and site is full of tutorials and manuals (English, Spanish and French).You can buy cards mounted & tested, Kits or PCBs with the best prices for each type of user.You have more aplications and you can use FSUIpc or specific protocol IOCP to connect FSimulator 200* or X-plane. (100 times faster FSUipc).If your cockpit is a 737, you have ON-737, a full free simulation system *all system* for 737-NG (PFD,ND,MCP,FMC,OverHeat,etc).If your cockpit have analogic gauges, you have IOCPGauges for specific control of this gauges.If have questions... You can write in opencockpits forums. More 500 (registered) users using IOCards project in the world.

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Ferdy,Does IOCards support FSBUS CCC-functionality? If not do they plan to produce stuff like that?// Joni

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Hello my fellow simmers.I'd like to know if anyone, i say again, anyone has completed a cockpit using any of the systems.As far as I know, only EPIC people have completed their simulators. There are maaaaany project hardware and software available, but seeing any of these WORKING on a full system setup is a thing yet to be seen.I say again, Anyone has COMPLETED his cockpit using anything but EPIC? And I mean Full instrument panel with CDUs, throttles, speedbrakes, landing gear, autoflight (MCP, autothrottle, FMS), radios, instructor station with weather, time and system control, and overhead panel with complete systems (fire protection, electrical, hydraulic, lights, IRS, pneumatic, fault detection, and so on...)Cheers.

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Hello !We thought different about this subject.IOCard software must be centered to the control of the hardware.For simulation control have another software and IOCards only is inputs or outputs of this software.For it we have designed protocol IOCP. This protocol connect easily IOCard with all developed software. No need Iocard SDK, the IOcard SDK is for develop specific functions.If a CCC type program appear, is more versatile if it use a IOCP server for inputs/outputs than use directly IOCards functions.We thought about OPEN systems, not in propietary systems. IOCP is open protocol and can be used for all developers.Example : ON-737, a simulation system through IOCP.

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But... Build a Cockpits not is a project for a short time !For example IOcard project have only one year. And in this time project have more developes.EPIC is used for cockpits have moooore time.IOCards have solutions for all elements of a cockpits. Another problem is simulation software, but not is hardware problem, remember !

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Ok but I'm not into 737 ;o)I would like to make use at the fullest of all the switches I have in my overhead. Even if they are not simulated in Espens panel, with CCC I can make them do something. Even if it is fictive, so it doesn't do anything in FlightSimulator, having a logic behind the panel would be nice.The info you give on this IOCP etc is not very clear to me. What I understand (or think to) is that you have your own "fsuipc" called IOCP and that users can write their own software in which they create the logic ?Does this IOCP allow your self written program then to comm. with both FS and with IOCards ??Or do I understand it all wrong ?If I get this right than it is indeed quite interesting. It is in fact exactly what I mailed to the maker of FSBus before. I asked him for a way to enable people to access the FSBus variables from their own written software just as is possible with FS via FSUIPC. He answered me to sit back and wait for CCC to be releaced.

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Well...IOCP is a protocol over TCP/IP.IOCP is like FSUIPC+WIDEFS. You can use IOCP not only in FSimulator. You can develop a server IOCP for any program.Now, have IOCP servers for : Fsimulator 200*, X-plane, ON-737, A-320 Canig

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>IOCP is like FSUIPC+WIDEFS. You can use IOCP not only in>FSimulator. >Ferdi,Can we use IOCP to display an outsideview on different monitors (like with wideview)?

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ok i'm not sure if i understand right nowbut i think this IOCP is a network based solution ? allowing one to create own variables and changing these via IOcards and sending these to fsuipc or IOcards ?i'm sorry but this seems quite complex to understand how this works.

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If IOCP is like fsuipc+widefs then what's the big advantage ?Ok it goos faster than fsuipc in terms of network comunication.But where does this compare to CCC ??

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No, no... Wideview is a aplication different.Widefs is for connect FSUIPC in remote computers.

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Kevin EPIC USB would be your best bet... I know its expensive but this makes the money worth. Ask me if you want more explaination.. I will be happy to do so.

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When you think in a serious cockpit. You think, (for example), when i turn rotary encoder mcp heading, my mcp display and ND change data in real time... But it not is true now with FSBUS+FSUIPC solution. You have mooore delay in this easy operation.If you want play, ok, no problem. But if you want more, you need searh another solution. FSUIPC not is designed for this.A good cockpit not is cheap. You buy five computers, 3 projector, 5 TFT displays, hardware, software, etc. And i want, when i turn rotary my ND and display mcp change in real-time !!This is advantage of IOCP. Is a perfect solution for comunication delays... Other problem is electronic delays. IOCard is a solution for this delay. CCC is other think.In another post, i explain... IOCard not have CCC because IOCard separates electronic of simulation. IOCard software is designed only for electronic configuration and if you want to create any simulation you can use a IOCP server for create simulation and connect to IOCards.If any user develop a "CCC", can easy use a IOCPserver and connect to simulation IOCards or another clients.

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Concluding, we can say OpenCockpits is very simular to FSBUS. It similarly interfaces buttons, switches, rotaries, 7 segment displays, servo's, steppers. It's a DIY job. Differences:OpenCockpits connects with USBOpenCockpits has no need for FSUIPC or WideFS,'cause it has IOCP (faster?)OpenCockpits comes with free glass cockpit software (at least 737)OpenCockpits does without expensive microcontrollers, so needs no flashing, i presume?Is that correct? Please correct me if I'm wrong.Guess we'll have to brush up on our Spanish.....

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Kevin,EPIC is out of this age. The choice nowadays is FSBUS or OpenCockpits IOCards.

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Hi Kevin !EPIC nowadays does not have any functionality that cannot be made by a IOCard circuit.But IOCards is much more cheap, have more documentation, and have MORE software of simulation.www.opencockpits.com to check this...IOCard not only a free project, is a OPEN project and nowadays have many people developing, or write manuals or tutorials. In last months the people who work in the project have multiplied by four...

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Only one think... Opencockpits is a site for open projects of cockpits.IOCards is the Electronic card project.

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>>Opencockpits is a site for open projects of cockpits.>Thanks, of course on 'www.opencockpits.com' we can read all about the product called 'IOCards'.But I didn't read so much about IOCP yet. Also I never saw any screenshots of ON-737....?

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