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Ok today I went to the shop and bought the ATI Radeon 9200 PCI version.Came home, put it in my pc reboot .. windowsXP didn't detect it.Took it out and put it in other PCI slot. Same deal.Then I took out the AGP card .. no joy.Then I went back to the shop and asked to test the card there .. it worked without a problem.Back home .. no joy.Uninstalled both drivers of the old S3ViRGE PCI card and the one from the AGP GF2 Ti 500 .. no joy.Now I reinstalled the AGP drivers and tried to install the ATI drivers and will see what this gives but my guess is .. no joy.Anyone got an idea what might be going wrong cuz I am clueless.Ow, just in case you wonder .. I had PCI for inital video to startup in bios set at first. Tried it with AGP .. no difference. Now it's back to PCI first.

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Have you configure multimonitor setting on XP... if not this may be why windows didn't not detect multimonitor configuration. I had similar problem before like you just because I did not do multimonitor configuration on windows 2K and XP

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?I had a simple S3ViRGE 2D card and it worked before. If winXP doesn't show any new found hardware, how then can I configure anything in XP .. ?

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There may be an IRQ sharing problem. Maybe the PCI slot you are using shares its IRQ with another card that doesn't support IRQ sharing?Did you try to manually install the hardware? Don't count on WinXP that they will detect all the PnP devices. After all, that's why we call it Plug and Pray!Try installing manually the card via the Install new hardware wizard. If the auto detection do not work via the wizard too, go back and install it manually by selecting the card from the list.Also, What is your primary display card? An nVidia maybe ?George DorkofikisAthens, Greecehttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/betaimg.jpg

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Hi there,I had this kind of problem earlier days as well and my problem was that I had in BIOS Primary Display or is it called Primary VGA or similar in AGP. Change that to the PCI and try again...// Joni

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> There may be an IRQ sharing problem. Maybe the PCI slot you are> using shares its IRQ with another card that doesn't support IRQ> sharing?I don't think that's the case cuz I've put it on all the PCI slots in the end .. no joy.> Did you try to manually install the hardware? Don't count on WinXP> that they will detect all the PnP devices. After all, that's why> we call it Plug and Pray!How else do you install hardware than manually ? :( ROFL You probably mean software, right ? Ok I did try to install the drivers if that's what you mean. Ow and running the wizzard for detecting hardware didn't beep either. Then aha now I know what you mean .. adding a hardware to the list and then selecting which one it is from the drop down boxes. No I didn't try that and honestly I am not able to do it even if I'd want to: reason = pc doesn't boot with this card installed.> Also, What is your primary display card? An nVidia maybe ?My AGP card is indeed an nVidia GF 2 Ti 500. But there's no way these 2 conflict cuz I have uninstalled it fully with drivers & the entire ***tload without joy.The guy from the shop will try to find me an other card. I have a Club 3D here and he told me on the phone now that he will have a Saphire (i think) by friday to try. Also he'll have something else than 9200. Think 9000 or 9800 .. dunno.Either way he told me that there are no more nVidia PCI cards sold ?! Is that true ????

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As I said before .. "Primary VGA" (or whatever) is set by default on my mobo in the bios to PCI first. So if I reset this it will be always PCI first. I would have to change it on purpose to AGP to get something else. So that's not the problem for sure.I got an S3ViRGE here for almost a year which works and also requires PCI first to be set.

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>Either way he told me that there are no more nVidia PCI cards>sold ?! Is that true ????False.I do not know what models are available, but every vendor has models for PCI.Anyway have you tried booting it up with only the ATI Pci card takeing out the Nvidia AGP one?Does it work?If not, maybe it's an incompatibility between your system (namely the motherboard) and the new graphics card.

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Anyway have you tried booting it up with only the ATI Pci card takeing out the Nvidia AGP one?Does it work?Nope ... I mean yes I did take out the nvidia and i even got as far as uninstalling the whole ****load of drivers etc .. no joy though.I think that either it must be incopatibility between my system and the card.Now the guy from the shop has ordered Sapphire 9200 card (while I got here Club3D 9200) .. onyone can tell me if .. IF there is a compatibility issue .. is it the card ? or the chipset ?So might this Sapphire work ? Or is trying it the only answer to that question ?He will also have 9600 or such .. dunno by friday to try.I might get lucky cuz if the 9600 work he might give it to me without extra costs (so for the 9200 price) .. who knows ;)

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You should check to see if the ATI card is getting an IRQ and appears at the plug'n'play list that is displayed right before boot.There is a setting in the BIOS that forces an IRQ redistribute to all cards. Something like "reset DMI pool". Try it.Also, try to remove all other PCI cards (if any) and put ATI at the third or forth slot.Lastly, try to give it a manual IRQ number instead of an automatic one.

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It doesn't boot so I can't even see if the IRQ gets assigned ! :(Oh misery oh misery :-violin

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hi guys i have a problem....i am not good with computers so need ur help. I am trying to build a sim with X-plane for research in cockpit design. I have 5 monitors 3 of which are touchscreen. I want to display the flight displays (the PFD and the MFD) on the three computers inside the shell and the visuals on the other two monitors. Can u guys help me out as to how to go about this ?...thanksVish

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Dude,I am runningn 2 9600XT Sapphires with ZERO problems, right out of the gate.FWIW...

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Vish,Welcome to the obsession of flight simming and cockpit building. I am not trying to put you off however, what you want can

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>It doesn't boot so I can't even see if the IRQ gets assigned>! :(>Oh misery oh misery :-violinBut right from your first message you say "Came home, put it in my pc reboot .. windowsXP didn't detect it.", so the computer was booting at the time and now it doesn't?If the computer doesn't boot at all ONLY with both cards installed, then it might be due to a motherboard problem (try to update the bios) or more possible a PSU that can supply the current needed by both cards. One more thing. When it doesn't boot, does the power LED light in the case light? Does the HDD LED light also? Do you hear any strange high pitch sounds out of the PSU? Can you close it by holding the power key down for more than 4 seconds, or do you have to remove power?

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--------quote---------But right from your first message you say "Came home, put it in my pc reboot .. windowsXP didn't detect it.", so the computer was booting at the time and now it doesn't?If the computer doesn't boot at all ONLY with both cards installed, then it might be due to a motherboard problem (try to update the bios) or more possible a PSU that can supply the current needed by both cards. One more thing. When it doesn't boot, does the power LED light in the case light? Does the HDD LED light also? Do you hear any strange high pitch sounds out of the PSU? Can you close it by holding the power key down for more than 4 seconds, or do you have to remove power?---------/quote------------Ok, indeed I said it did boot at first. It did, now it doesn't. Why ? I don't know... but my idea here now is that it might have been because the card wans't properly installed in the PCI slot.. or a temporary failure of that specific slot. I know for sure that I had taken out the S3ViRGE a few months ago to put it in the Celeron 500. Now recently I put it back in and it didn't work. I changed it from slot and then it did work. So maybe I got 1 pci slot that is broken.Either way .. I got now the new card (went to the shop to exchange) same card, same manuf., only a new build (or so they say). This time the box was wrapped with plastic sheet so I know for sure that this one has never ever been used in any pc. Result: no boot (just like at the final attempts with the previous card)Then with AGP or without .. no difference.I do heer my pc boot but the usual "beep" after .. say 2 seconds doesn't come and neither does the screen.I heer the cd-rom drive spooling up and the PSU doesn't make any strange noise. Both leds go on and stay on after those 1.5 seconds.Let me just boot 1 more time here and make sure I describe correct what happens. Ok, seems to be very less than 1.5 seconds. More like 0.5I can indeed power it off by pressing the on button for 3 to 4 seconds.I got a 350W PSU and I tried disconnecting everything but the things needed for the imagecard to work (no AGP either) no difference.I will check for BIOS update though I'm not super fond of doing something when I've never seen anyone else do it. (Like install a CPU .. I do it now but I waited untill I saw someone showing me how to do it ..) I know you got to be carefull when BIOS updating cuz things can go wrong .. But I guess I'll find good instructions with the new bios if there is any.

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Since it's a PCI card, why not try it in the celeron?Altough being a new one i'd be surprised if it didn't work as the past one.I think your motheboard really hates those cards...

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Did try it in the celeron and exact same problem there. No boot.

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Did a bios update vrom v12 to v15 without any result.Also didn't find any "reset DMI pool" stuff in it.If I do a manual IRQ set, which IRQ number do I take then and to what line do i give it ?

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Can't you have it changed for another brand model?It's really really strange that two cards do not work on two different systems.But be warned: sometimes "unknown" manufacturer brand means swindle: once i bought a nobrand gf2mx and it really was a 3dfx 2500 with hacked drivers to "show as" gs2mx.So maybe this brand is not very thrustable.I really don't know why else two new cards wouldn't work on two different computers.Don't you have a friend on whose computer you can try your card?

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sure, but what's the use of having it work there :(i hope the guy from the shop can just get me another type but he tells me that PCI cards are no longer in production and thus getting harder & harder to find. (ref. PCI express comming up).

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>sure, but what's the use of having it work there :(>>i hope the guy from the shop can just get me another type but>he tells me that PCI cards are no longer in production and>thus getting harder & harder to find. (ref. PCI express>comming up).See if you can find a second-hand Matrox Millenium, those work nicely for gauge displays, and they can be cheap. And they work, I have both a Mystique and Millenium PCI here next to the Geforce3.You cant use 3d accel anyway on two cards within one PC so you dont need the "Radeon" part there - just a regular 2D card will do since you just display gauges there.//Tuomas

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A 2D card will do ???I guess not cus that is what I have (the S3ViRGE) and this 2D card KILLS my 3D card (nVidia GF 2 Ti 500) ...As soon as the S3 is in .. no more HW accel. No more changable options in the "hardware" menu. No more full-screen ALT+ENTER stuff ....That's why I want a good PCI card and according to MS, it needs to be at least their minimum specs to work (so 8mb of ram, full 3D accel, dirx9 compatible drivers)

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>Did a bios update vrom v12 to v15 without any result.>>Also didn't find any "reset DMI pool" stuff in it.>>If I do a manual IRQ set, which IRQ number do I take then and>to what line do i give it ?I'll have to ask a rather silly question but where is your monitor connected to when you boot up your computer? From what you said before, the behaviour of the computer looks like it is succesfully booting. No boot means that the computer doesn't go through the POST (Power On Self Test) = you shouldn't hear any beeps or only beeps that denote errors and are like beeeeeeeeeeeeeep-beep-beep-beep that means video card missing or has a problem.Last thing I would ask you to try is a different card manufacturer...

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