UNDOCKING WINDOWS

[Guest belairvideo]

Hi Folks.I am in FS2004, and am trying to undock and move gps to another monitor. This can be done, but as soon as I hit alt/enter to remove the menu bar from the outside view monitors, the undocked window moves back to the outside view screens again - and back in docked mode!!I was able to do this in FS2002 without any problems. Is 2004 able to allow undocking at the same time as a menu free outside view?FS2004 is eating frame rates, and I have had to massively upgrade my PC to cope.Seriously thinking of going back to 2002 - but Vox ATC is 2004 only!Does anybody know if there is a similar system out there that does the same thing - but in FS2002 as well??Any help gratefully received.TONY. (U.K.)

[Guest Xmech]

Sounds strange. Are you moving any other panels this way? Do they stay wher you move them?I don't know if this matters, but I always use the FS menu to switch from full screen to windowed mode and back, not alt-enter. Maybe that has something to do with it.

[tigert]

>Seriously thinking of going back to 2002 - but Vox ATC is 2004>only!>Does anybody know if there is a similar system out there that>does the same thing - but in FS2002 as well??Have you tried live online air traffic control? Check out VATSIM or IVAO (www.vatsim.net / www.ivao.org) and see which one has more coverage during the times you fly at the areas you like to fly, it's a whole new dimension to ATC..My FS2004 is a LOT faster in windowed mode for some reason by the way.. so I just adjust my monitors to get the menubar offscreen, it's so much slower in fullscreen.. no idea why.//Tuomas

[Guest belairvideo]

Adjusting monitors is fine - but how do you get to the menu bar - pressing ALT wont do it? What other ways are there? EG if I want to get to OPTIONS or something?Maybe I'm a bit dim?Cheers.TONY

[Guest jsvw2001]

Tony,In your fs9.cfg, change the line HideMenuNormal=0 to HideMenuNormal=1. You will find this in the [MAIN] section. This will remove the menu in the windowed mode and the menu bar will appear if you press AltRegardsJohan

[tigert]

>Tony,>>In your fs9.cfg, change the line HideMenuNormal=0 to>HideMenuNormal=1. You will find this in the [MAIN] section.>This will remove the menu in the windowed mode and the menu>bar will appear if you press Alt>>Regards>JohanThis also has a setting in the normal FS configuration dialog I think. Alt makes the menubar then visible.//T

[iwik]

Tony,It can be done,its a bit fiddly.1.Go to windowed mode and drag/setup what you want on second monitor.2.Save this config(;).3.Go back to full screen mode,image may appear back on main monitor,if so repeat 1 and 2.You may have to do this more than once.4.The key to this is that you must return to Windowed mode to exit FS.Or the next time you start fs you second monitor will be blank.What i used to do was to go to windowed mode and Ctrl C to exit.Should you exit in full screen mode then all you have to do is set fs in windowed mode and reset flight.This was the only way i could get reliable,repeatable displays.I have since abandoned this and used windowed mode.Supposed to be the preferred way according to MS FS team.Using this mode you can throw in as many PCI cards as you like and put all panels ect on these.Just ignore if FS does not show these PCI cardsas they will continue to work well.I stick all the Concored panels on four Matrox MiLL 2 cards.Cant get anymore cards in my pc.Matrox Mill 2 cards are cheap($5 on ebay).Hope this helps.Les

[Magic Man]

I always find that making the window dialog (guage, view etc) to its smallest size (a small postage stamp square) and then dragging that across to the other monitor(s) before switching to full screen again gives me the best method.FS stores the window sizes and it's nice and easy to manage multiple additional windows when they are this size, when you then go to full screen, they open to the correct size.

[Guest belairvideo]

VERY ODD!!!!!!In windowed mode, I am getting 2 to 3 frames but in full screen, I am getting 50 - 60 (I have a massive PC). This means that I cannot manipulate gauges (eg gps) undocked because of the terribly slow and jittery mouse movements PLUS - when I do try to put gps on screen in windowed mode, I get a flashing black square????According to other simmers, windowed mode should in fact be faster, not slower - in fact some guys run in windowed mode just for the improved frame rates???I am wondering if I have a faulty set of disks - or a bad install?Any help anyone??TONY.

[Guest belairvideo]

In 2002, it's possible to undock windows whilst in full screen mode - but in 2004, it's not? I have been experimenting in 2004 windowed mode by undocking GPS and moving it to one monitor and undocking (as an experiment) radio's and moving them to another monitor. If they are increased to full monitor size, I get the blue screen of death! If I make them half monitor size, no blue screen - but the view hiccups every 20 seconds or so? If I reduce the undocked items down to 3 inches by 4 inches!!! the hiccup goes away, and the system is usable (if you can call it that with tiny gps and radio?)The designers of 2004 boast that it is more useable friendly to multi-monitor setups. What a joke! If it were, they would have allowed undocking in full screen like 2002!If anybody has genuine success with undocking in 2004, would they PLEASE let me know all the settings etc that they use including PC setup etc as I have spent a load of cash and two weeks trying to make this work!!Hoping somebody can help.Please don't tell me to network seperate PC's - It's too restrictive and I dont fly whacking great aircraft -so GC is no use to me!TONY, Plymouth, U.K.