Stolen textures

[michal 44]

>well >meaning fellow who wanted to contribute to the flightsim >community is now called a Thief. A good analogy is that you are at a party drinking beer, filling up your glass from a bottle that you just picked up from a cooler and opened up. But someone who sits nearby taking advantage of your temporary inattention grabs the bottle and fills up his glass (or for even better analogy his friend's glass). Is he well meaning ? no he is arrogant jerk, is he a thief ? - no, he isn't.The guy could have asked through email - if he did not care to do it he fits certain profile ...Michael J.

[michal 44]

>How is it considered stolen but when someone uses photoreal >textures for either a panel or an aircraft it's not >considered stealing from the airline or manufacturer? I don't think there is any duble standard here. Let's think for a moment and not generalize too quickly.I am not a lawyer but it does not take rocket scientist to see a major difference here. What is important here is the "intellectual property/work with a well defined purpose". If for example I opened another airline and started using say Delta's logo Delta Airlines could get understandably upset since I would be using their logo for the exact same purpose it was created - advertising the brand name while running an airline. If on the other hand I created a "virtual" airline using the same logo, or perhaps started selling model airplanes with Delta Airlines logo - I doubt Delta would care. They might care only if their image was somehow threatened (say those model aircraft had obvious cosmetic defficiencies - missing landing gear, etc.). Same logic applies to freeware/payware artists in our flightsim world. I hope it makes sense.Michael J.

[Guest]

""A good analogy is that you are at a party drinking beer, filling up your glass from a bottle that you just picked up from a cooler and opened up. But someone who sits nearby taking advantage of your temporary inattention grabs the bottle and fills up his glass (or for even better analogy his friend's glass). Is he well meaning ? no he is arrogant jerk, is he a thief ? - no, he isn't.""I like your analogy!! Let's give the guy the benefit of the doubt. I'd say "he's not an arrogant jerk". He's probably just drunk and confused. Hey, when the beers free, it's free!! Going to the cooler takes some effort, I know. But it's not like he's ripping off some money from some bar keep!! Course, I'm usually the one throwing the party and it's almost always my beer and my cooler, and everythings free and I never complain.I stick by my opinion. Copyright claims are the culprits holding up the freeware artists; not criticism. A good example is Mike Stone. He takes criticism pretty well. He shouldn't get any criticism at all; but when he does get undeserved unconstructive criticism, he let's us all know. I say "good for him".

[michal 44]

>He's probably >just drunk and confused. Hey, when the beers free, it's >free!! Going to the cooler takes some effort, I know.If he is not drunk then he is a jerk. It may take some effort to go to the cooler (if he is a lazy type) but takes much less effort to ask. If he is "confused" about such simple scenario then he should be set straight or send to a mental facility in an extreme case because who knows what else he may get confused about ... Anyway it is much less about the copyright and more about basic savoir vivre. When I exchange gardening tools with my neighbor neither I nor he claim any copyrights/ownership but we know how to operate with minimum of fuss. ;-)Michael J.

[Donmo 6]

It is clearly marked NOT TO BE USED WITHOUT PERMISSION. That is NOT an open ticket to do as you please. She should NOT have to stop doing repaints. It is NOT an ego trip. THIEVES like this joker need to be stopped from doing it. PERIOD. When you do something you are told not to do, it is WRONG where I come from. Why is it so hard for some of you folks to understand this? Maybe every GD designer needs to just quit and let the whiners and complainers supply the FS world with everything. I'm about heading there myself. I can't stand being surrounded with such irrational thinking. Lets try this one. You write a computer software program. (remember now...it's only little electrons on a disc) and you give it to me. I add 1 word to it and then distribute it as mine. Is THAT the correct way? No damned difference! It's theft! I have a hard time dealing with people who side with the bad guys.Don

[Guest daves0]

I belong to a couple of artistic forums...for "artists"...and 3d modelers, etc...believe me, this type of thing happens everyday, the same bickering and nashing of teeth, with the same attitude that stealing someone's hard work is ok...."well, there it is on the internet...it's mine now" I'm beginning to think that there are quite a few people around that have no ethics or morals, and that have no clue as to what honesty and honorability mean. When you have your top executives , politicians, and the rest of the white collar scum doing what they do, its no wonder there's so many turning into crooks. Our society doesn't know what it means to be honorable anymore.The prevailing philosophy is to get as much as possible, as easily and as fast as possible no matter who is in your way...."I got mine Baby" I don't care about you.Kind of a negative look at the whole picture, but I don't see my take on it too far off.

[Guest Scott Campbell]

You're kidding, right?Someone STEALS the work of another person, makes one or two MINOR changes, then UPLOADS that work as their own and that's NOT stealing?Wow. Interesting perspective. Maybe I should just upload Flight1's Golden Eagle then. I did repaint it to my colors and made some minor tweaks to the panel. So it's mine, right?

[Guest Scott Campbell]

Jeff,Actually, both Boeing and Airbus do require you get their permission to even make an aircraft much less use their panel or design. Airlines also do require you get their permission before you can use their logos. I note the fact AA made VA's stop using their logos when the whole PT nonsense was going on.The difference is that none of the above prosecute if you don't (except AA who have now changed their policy).The fact is Anniette did complain, and she has the right to since it's her paint work. Now if Boeing and PanAm (which is OOB so the current name owner) wants to tell Anniette to stop, they can.That doesn't mean she can't make the other person stop using her stuff.There's no gray area here. The guy took Anniette's clearly-copyrighted material, made a couple minor changes, and posted as his own. Even a monkey knows that's wrong.

[Guest]

Hey, I just remembered that I touched up some scratches on my car the other day. Guess I have to give GM the bad news that I own the design rights to that car model now. :-rollIf you ever figure it out Scott, let me know, cause danged if I can.Mike Stone

[Guest Scott Campbell]

Mike,Saaaaaaay...good point! I built a fountain, installed an air conditioner, and repainted my house! I'll have to tell my landlord I now own it! Yipee!! A tax break and the American Dream come true! :-lol

[Donmo 6]

You hit it right on the money. Don

[Guest Scott Campbell]

Heather,Depends on whether or not the estate of the original author owns the copyright and renewed it, since a copyright only extends to 50 years after the author's death. Otherwise, it's public domain. I don't know. If a corporation bought it, then that's a different story.For example, all of Coke's artwork is owned by the corporation so the copyright doesn't die until they do.

[Guest Scott Campbell]

Dave,You get no argument from me. What amazes me is that there are those in this thread arguing it. Amazing. It's times like this I wish full names were required, then we'd see how much of this argument goes on without the veil of anonymity.

[Guest daves0]

Seems to me that many folks that hold copyright don't say too much unless you're making some money from using their property...then its a whole new game.Disney is really bad, as are a few other large corps...Coke being one of them. I think there are many things being done on the internet that don't get noticed, but when the lawyers for the corporations find out you're using their images, and so forth, they get a bit peeved :)It's that public image thing--they want control over whom and how their property is used...can't blame them....I wouldn't want my coke cans popping up all over in some porn flick as if I'm sponsoring it...wouldn't look too good...

[Guest Matt Johnson]

Looking at the files right now. They will be removed very promptly if I discover the evidence I'm looking for.--M