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OK! Time to build a new system for FS2002(4)

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While my P4 2.0Ghz is still chugging away happily and for the most part I am content with my FS2002 performance, I think it's time to build a new system just for FS2002 (darn this hobby costs alot). I was reading MaximumPC (Sept 2002) and they have built what is supposed to be the fastest PC on the planet right now. And even though technology will probably eclipse the system soon, I figured I would copy their system spec for spec. Here are the details for those who are interested:P4 2.8Ghz (I'll over clock it to 3.0Ghz) - Maximum PC put in a 2.53Ghz and OC'd it to 2.8 so mine will be fasterAsus 4T533 Motherboard with Intel 850E Chipset and RAID512MB Samsung RIM4200 32Bit RAMBUS Memory - OC'd from PC1066 to PC1200 (note: PC1200 Memory is not available yet so I will have to improvise here)ATI Radeon 9700 128MB DDR - Who would believe it beat the Geforce4 Ti4600 and is now the fastest vid-card on the market? 120GB Western Digital Caviar WD1200JB 7200RPM HDCreative Labs Audigy Gamer (no need to waste money on the Audigy Platium and it's doo-hickies since I'll never hook my PC up to a home entertainment center).Case is yet to be determined, but it will be all Aluminum and be decked out with blue cold cathode ray tubing so that it glows at night :-PCooling will be provided by at least 5 fans and water cooling for the CPU, Memory and Video CardI've ordered all the parts and will build it this weekend. With that said, FS2002 had better SCREEEEEEEEEEEAM!!!!

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Thanks alot Mike. I was feeling pretty good about the P4 2.5 processor that Fed Ex dropped off for me this morning, but now I guess I'll have someone else to envy....

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GEEZ...What's a system like that go for? :-eek I'm planning an upgrade too, but I'll have to buy something in Canada where the availability is lower and the prices higher!Adam

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I am planning on up-grading my P4 2.2 to a 2.8, But I read on Toms Hardware somewhere that the 3.0 will be out in Nov. Even if you don't go for the 3.0, the prices of the 2.8 will come down. Its worth waiting a month. Thats what Im going to do.Rob

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Mike, I get the MaxPC mag in the mail too, and I was slobbering all over myself when reading that article. Im a student and a po' man so I have to go for the financial sweetspot, which was an AMD XP 2000+ and PC2700 a couple of weeks ago. The good thing is that my motherboard is so far compatible with up to 2600+ (through bios updates) and maybe more, so the next upgrade will be sooner since the only upgrade will be the CPU. Im very interested in knowing how the system runs if you build it, so please let us know.Craig

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Hi Mike,>>Asus 4T533 Motherboard with Intel 850E Chipset and RAIDThis Asus mobo looks great on paper but lot of people reported problems running even on default speed. Check this thread on hadocphttp://www.hardforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=454638Alternative would be Gigabyte GA-8IHXP with regular 16bit PC1066 RAMBUS modules.Cheers,Petar

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For an Intel system, I'd recommend an EPoX motherboard. Oh, and I'd also recommend staying away from ATI. While the 9700 is a bit faster than the Ti4600, I haven't heard anything but bad things from users about the 9700.Ryan-Flightpro08 :-coolVATSIM Pilot/ControllerZLA ARTCC Controller 1 (C-1)SAN TRACON Lead [link:www.taxiwaysigns.com]Taxiwaysigns.com Scenery Designer-----------------------------My "Home Made" System Specs:Intel Pentium 4 2.2GHz ProcessorTurbo Gamer ATX Mid-Tower with 420W Power SupplyEPoX 4G4A Motherboard with Intel 845G ChipsetVisiontek XTASY GeForce4 128MB Ti4600 (Det 29.42 WHQL Drivers)512MB PC2100 DDR RAM40GB Matrox 7200RPM Hard DriveWindows XP Home Edition SP1*No CPU or GPU Overclocking*3dMark2001SE Score: 11298

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At 2x the processing power and faster memory than the Ti4600 I can't pass up the ATI 9700. Besides, I already have a Ti4600 in my current machine so if the 9700 is as bad as you say, then I'll swap em out, As far as the MoBo, I swear by ASUS, always have had one in my PC's and besides they offer the best platforms for Overclockers such as myself! :-lol. I intend to bend and twist this system until she breaks.Regards,Mike T.

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Flightpro; apparently you haven't been reading much?? Go over to the IL2 forum. They're raving about it. Also, it runs FS2002 and CFS2 perfect if you don't have a bunch of hardware conflicts. It blows away the 4600 when you turn on the things you bought the card for in the first place. If you try to run it on a 220watt Power Supply, you're asking for problems. Anytime a new generation card comes out, there's gonna be a lot of space cadets who can't get it to run. That's not the cards fault. So far, mine's flawless.

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Geez man, chill out. Wasn't flaming the card at all.Ryan-Flightpro08 :-coolVATSIM Pilot/ControllerZLA ARTCC Controller 1 (C-1)SAN TRACON Lead [link:www.taxiwaysigns.com]Taxiwaysigns.com Scenery Designer-----------------------------My "Home Made" System Specs:Intel Pentium 4 2.2GHz ProcessorTurbo Gamer ATX Mid-Tower with 420W Power SupplyEPoX 4G4A Motherboard with Intel 845G ChipsetVisiontek XTASY GeForce4 128MB Ti4600 (Det 29.42 WHQL Drivers)512MB PC2100 DDR RAM40GB Matrox 7200RPM Hard DriveWindows XP Home Edition SP1*No CPU or GPU Overclocking*3dMark2001SE Score: 11298

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Hi Petar!Thanks for the info, but 16-Bit Memory would defeat the purpose of building this sys. I need the 32-Bit memory to be able to call her the "fastest PC on the planet" (according to Maximum PC :-cool)

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Nice system you have coming Mike :)I wouldn't touch Epox ever again. I'm an Asus man. I'm waiting on their P4PE boards to come out in the next few weeks, they'll have DDR 333 support. Hopefully my 2.53 will overclock a little higher.Right now the only stable FSB I can manage is 150. This puts my P4 @ 2.85. Any higher and it won't post, or resets when it goes into Windows. I might try the pin trick to get 1.85v out of the sucker, should be able to do 3.0 easily then.

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Everything over 1.75v is dangerous for 0.13 northwood. Also check the actual voltage with software monitor. With 1.85v running for extended period of time could slowly degrade overclockabilty and eventually kill your CPU.

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There is no difference in speed, both have theoretical maximum bandwidth of 4.2 Mb/s. Only difference is that you can run 32 bit PC4200 232 pin as single stick with C-RIMM riser and if you choose 16 bit PC1066 you will need two sticks, 2X256 for example.

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Actually, that is not correct. Max throughput for a PC1066 16-Bit with a 533FSB is 4.8GB/sec. Max throughput fora a PC1066 32-Bit is 8.4GB/sec assuming the same 533FSB. I intend to Overclock the 32Bit PC1066 sticks to PC1200 specs which should give me a throughput of 9.6GB/sec by overclocking the 533FSB to 600MHz.Of course these figures are benchmark estimates however, I will effectively double my memory throughput if all goes well.Regards,Mike T.See this article:http://www17.tomshardware.com/mainboard/02...srambus-05.html

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I am talking about maximum bandwidth in practice. With both 16 bit and 32bit PC1066 with default FSB 133(533) you are going to get around 3300 Mb/s in Sandra.No matter if you use 16bit or 32bit when you overclock 2.8 to 3.0 143FSB your bandwidth is going to rise approximately to 3500-3600 Mb/s.As you pass 155FSB you will probably have to drop memory to X3 in order to reach higher FSB. Highest score as saw was around 4200 Mb/s with memory at X3 and FSB over 190.My point is in that in practice both memories perform same and right now there is just one 32 bit RAMBUS board Asus P4T533 witch is really gambling choice. Epox and MSI boards are coming but you will have to wait at least one month to see how they perform.If you really like Asus and you have to by new system right now get P4T533-C. Same chipset, similar features, uses 16 bit memory. P4T533-C has maximum FSB 156 but that is more than enough if you want to push your chip only to 3 GHz.Here is memory benchmark RIMM4200 against PC1066 in P4T533 reviewhttp://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/Mother...p4t533(3).shtml

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Pierre:In no way, shape or form would I have to drop the FSB to 3x to achieve my goals because the ASUS MoBo P4T533 allows seperate overclocking of the FSB, AGP and PCI ports. Taking the FSB to stratospheric heights would not affect the other subsystems because they are not being taken out of spec. Besides that, I can very easily overclock the 2.8Ghz to 3.0Ghz without fussing with the AGP or PCI settings because it is such a small jump.Secondly, the P4T533-C does NOT support 32Bit Rambus. You're missing my point that one of the reasons for selecting PC1066 32BIT RAMBUS is so that I can overclock it to PC1200 standards. PC1200 will be out in a few months and offers faster throughput, thus, in practice both memories do NOT perform the same for my purposes since I don't care how the memory performs out of the box since it will become PC1200 the moment it hits the memory slot!Cheers,Mike T.

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>>In no way, shape or form would I have to drop the FSB to 3x to>>achieve >my goals because the ASUS MoBo P4T533 allows seperate >>overclocking of >the FSB, AGP and PCI ports.Memory X3 setting is not related to PCI, AGP speeds. In your case with 21 multiplier and 143 FSB = 3 GHz memory will still take given bandwidth with 4X141=563X2=1126But if you want to go further lets say 3.36 GHz and 160FSB maybe you will have to drop memory to X3 not because of PCI, AGP speeds (they are always same with AGP/PCI lock 66/33) but because you are pumping too much bandwidth 4X160=640X2=1280. Then you will have lower bandwidth to 3X160X2=960.>>Secondly, the P4T533-C does NOT support 32Bit Rambus. You're missing >>my point that one of the reasons for selecting PC1066 32BIT RAMBUS is >>so that I can overclock it to PC1200 standards.Supports 16 Bit RAMBUS PC1066 memory and with two modules as dual channel 2X16bit is SAME as one,two or three 32bit sick of PC4200 RIMM. You can overclock 16 bit PC1066 to PC1200 and have equal bandwidth comparing to PC4200 RIMM. If you check that review again you will see that 16 bit even outperforms PC4200 in Sandra memory test.

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Mike; this is where I have settled in with mine. She's a solid 20fps everywhere I've been. Favorite airport is Seattle Tacomba Int.Display: 16x12x32bit (just dropped down to 4xAA & 8xAF with no real noticeable difference in quality)(had tried 6xAA & 16xAF and saw frames once at 16 when landing at Seattle Tacomba)frames locked at 20 and they're a solid 20. (Notice 18-19 occasionally landing at big airports with demanding aircraft)application preference checked for vsyncall terrain/scenery/autogen sliders maxed except mesh at 90%visibility at 90miles and fsuipc set 0-90running default clouds at 60% with second high layer cirruswater on detail (don't like the water reflections that much although no noticeable frame hit when on)all aircraft sliders maxed and all boxes checkedall hardware boxes checked & tri-linear checkedATC set at 40%All sound quality on highestsim loads extremely fast for me (still)completely stable for me.Running California & Michigan land class & autogenius addons

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I have a question about this very issue becuase I've been thinking about cost effective ways to upgrade and am curious about this strategy:Buy a motherboard, case, powersupply and CPUStrip the 700+ megs of Rambus memory, the hard drives, the modem, the video card (Ti 4200)and just plug them into the new computer.Are there pratfalls I should be aware of?Do the newest P4s still use motherboards with the Rambus memory? Thanks.

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First off, on the Rambus memory....I'm not sure if the newer P4 mobo's support Rambus. As far as going the route of buying a new mobo, CPU, power supply and case, and then cannibalizing the hard drives etc from the old one, it should be fine. I went this route with no problems. On caveat would be to make sure that your hard drive and any other components are as fast and as 'state of the art' as possible so as not to cause a bottleneck in the new system.Just my 2 cents worth.adrianOcala, Florida

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