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On the current hot Mike Stone thread, I picked up on the following message:

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you probably read to much into it.It's just a US figure of speech used by a US person...The Avsim staff seems pretty evenly divided over the world, actually. Relative to total population, I think the number of Dutch people here is higher than the number of US people.

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actually, i think this is a very astute observation of something which happens all the time but personally i'm too chicken to question for fear of being misunderstood.for those of us who do not live in the U.S., it's very curious that forums et.al. which exist on the www and are visited by peoples of all nationalities are often referred to or assumed to be "in" america, at least by americans ;)for someone to say "this is america" in a "place" which isn't even slightly "in" america or populated by mainly by americans is kinda funny to the rest of us. If i sat here and wrote a response saying, "hey, this is Canada, and blah blah blah" you'd all be laughing and scorning me for sure! I am in Canada, you are wherever you are, but THIS is the world wide web, regardless of where the harddrive resides.mp

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>for those of us who do not live in the U.S., it's very curious that >forums et.al. which exist on the www and are >visited by peoples of >all nationalities are often referred to or assumed to be "in" >america, at least by >americans for someone to say "this is america" >in a "place" which isn't even slightly "in" america or populated >by >mainly by americans is kinda funny to the rest of us. >>If i sat here and wrote a response saying, "hey, this is Canada, and >blah blah blah" you'd all be laughing and >scorning me for sure! I >am in Canada, you are wherever you are, but THIS is the world wide >web, regardless of >where the harddrive resides.It interesting that you equate America as being only the United States. When clearly your own country Canada is part of America.Quite a few non-US residents who live in the 'Americas' would be quite upset at your assumption.Do you see how silly this is ?Just take what he said in the spirit it was said, and lets avoid this Politically correct nonsense.RegardsErnie.

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AVSIM was founded by Tom Allensworth. Tom is a US citizien.The majority of the senior and other staff are living in the US, but there is a fair contingent of Europeans on staff now too (7 out of the 35 or so).The servers AVSIM runs on are in the US.AVSIM readers will be mostly US, but non-US numbers are growing.Since we are on the www, anybody in the world can read it and join the forums, as long as they have internet access.Hope this answers your curiosity ;-) :-outta Francois :-wave[table border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0][tr][td valign=bottom" align="center]"At home in the wild"[/td][td valign=bottom" align="center][link:avsim.com/alaska/alaska_052.htm|Don's Alaskan Bush Charters]"Beavers Lead the Way"[/td][td valign=bottom" align="center][link:www.avsim.com/vfr_center/mainpages/vfr_flights_main_page.htm]VFR Flight Center]"Looking Good Outside"[/td][/tr][tr][td valign=top" align="center]http://bfu.avsim.net/sigpics/logo75b.gif[/td][td valign="top" align="left" colspan=2]http://www.fssupport.com/images/moose2.gif[/td][tr][/table]________________________Francois A. "Navman" DumasAssociate Editor &Forums AdministratorAVSIM Online![/bemail: fdumas@avsim.com________________________

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OT, to be sure but to answer your question once and for all:Avsim's servers are based in the United States and as such are governed by the laws of the United States of America and further more by the regional laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia (assuming that is where is servers are co-located) and finally by the local laws within the county and city in which they are located.Regardless of where the staff is located or from where the subscribers of Avsim hail from, Avsim as a legal entity must abide by the laws as described above.For instance. Let's say that Tom A. decides to turn Avsim into Gamblingsim and it just so happens that local laws prohibit gambling even though state laws allow it (i.e. New Jersey). It won't make a difference if the people who access the site or the staff come from a locality that allows gambling because the gambling is effect taking place on Tom's servers which are located in Virginia, USA, and that would be illegal and the law enforcible by the local authorities to shut Gamblingsim down.So to paraphrase Clay "This is still America, the home of the free and ruled by the constitution." would be for the most part correct...EXCEPT that the constitution is suspended here at Avsim because as a private site, freedom of speech is NOT guranteed and neither can a lack of it be enforced.Even though the Internet is a global community, each node that comprises the Internet is governed by its respective national, regional and local laws applicable to where that node is located, irrespective of who accesses those resources. HTH,Mike T.

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i knew there was a reason my gut said not to respond!!!!i was actually trying to be a little funny, but here we go again with the internet tone-of-voice thing....when I said not in america, i'm thinking more about the kinda stuff that happens in forums *other* than this when someone may be insulted for their english, as if the forum "exists" to everyone in an english speaking country, as opposed to on the web where people of a multitude of nationalities reside, and how odd it is that people sometimes assume a web-based forum is "in" their own country, when such a thought doesn't even occur to others.of course, it may literally be in the U.S., but.....ah, never mind. that damn *other* thread has got us all on eggshells now!;)anyone want to talk about flight simming??

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Well, I'm just going to play it smart and not respond to ANY of these controversial threads that does not directly involve flight-simming. Oh, darn, I just responded didn't I. (-:From one former U.S. Marine, U.S.A born citizen of German ancestry who refuses to be politically correct, although I do not have a problem with being polite unless you step on my spit-shined shoes.And since I do not respond to such posts, strike from your memory that you ever read this. It did not happen. If you believe that I responded, it is a figment of your imagination.And that's all I have to say about that. Heather

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Richard,I feel I'm from almost everywhere.... I've lived and worked in Europe, Asia and Latin America, and during a long period, sometimes I didn't know what side of the pond I was waking up on.As some others have said, don't read too much into it. We have forum members from everywhere, and Avsim staff and contributors from everywhere. I've seen nationalistic remarks posted from Europeans, Asians, and Australians over the years that make me sometimes wonder whether the kind and wordly people I worked with and know were/are a figment of my imagination. But common sense tells me that I can't judge the makeup of the forum based on a few remarks. Most people tend to write with blinders on, including myself. But most of us love the makeup of this forum, and recognize how wonderful a representation of the world it is.-John

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Would this have satisfied everyone?"This is either America, the home of the free and ruled by the constitution, or a different country with no guarantee of freedom and ruled by the government."

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I stand corrected Richard. Some Americans think that freedom and rule of law is exclusive to the U.S...., even though some European democracies are given a higher score on individual freedom and tolerance.

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>I stand corrected Richard. Some Americans think that >freedom and rule of law is exclusive to the U.S...., even >though some European democracies are given a higher score on >individual freedom and tolerance. Yeah-- give me the Westminster form of Government any time!!!Barry

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By saying "Yawn", I assume you must have felt compelled into reading the thread despite the topic. So consider it a self induced yawn :)

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Well said John. My experience of the US is that those freedoms are not so free as people are led to believe, especially when compared to many other "free-world" countries.Not wanting to start a flame war as I am not going to judge, I read an interesting paper comparing Capitalism and Communism. They achieve similar means and similar class structures but from different ends of the spectrum, but the Big Brother syndrome is so very similar.I loved my time in the States and would do it again, but would have to say that there are other countries whose interpretation of "freedom of rights" is significantly different.Thats the good thing about the internet, the global village concept and ease of travel, it is slowly opening up peoples minds and in the process making Governments more accountable. More power to the people.Now just to keep it related to flightsim. I wonder how big a percentage of users explore the WORLD frequently in FS2002? I got a big pile of cash here that says less than 30% judging by comments and questions in the forums.

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"Now just to keep it related to flightsim. I wonder how big a percentage of users explore the WORLD frequently in FS2002?"That question was a huge motivation for my creation of Landclass Assistant. My wife is from Latin America, and MS came far short in representing its cities and urban areas, turning even Mexico City into a small, bland city. I made LCA so I could fix things, and somehow I was coaxed into making it available in the libraries.There are many spectacular places to fly in FS.... One of my favorite routes is between Zurich and Milan in Flight1's 421.... But I also like flights in SE Asia, and in Northern India.... Or one of my favorites--hopping over the channel in an ultralight... There's many great places to fly outside of the U.S... I'll never get a chance to enjoy them all :(

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"There are many spectacular places to fly in FS...." I hear you there. I dropped the US as soon as FS2000 came out. My greatest thrill is going online with Vatsim and finding ATC in another language. There is nothing more challenging than to work through the accents, subtle differences etc etc and come out of it having leant something.I belong to another (local) FSForum and it is amazing how many of those guys are so narrow minded and fly up and down their local area. They are missing so much.I did not realise it was you that developed LandClass Assistant. Many thanks for a great addition.

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"International Forum ..... "And that is precisely what makes it interesting and something to read everyday.I am simply amazed that I can converse with people from everywhere ... and people from everywhere pitch in and try to help other people with their issues ... the internet truly has created a small world ... and to my mind a better world for the most partAnd I virtually fly all over the world ... much more in Europe and SE Asia than I do in the US ... particularly since I've been all over the US in real aircraft on business travel ... but unfortunately have only been to Europe once and never anywhere else except to our wonderful neighbor to the north ... Canada.Lately I have been flying GA aircraft in French Polynesia WISHING I could really be there!!!!!O well .. interesting thread of observations though ... the more the whole world is oriented towards PC or Political Correctness .. the more I want to try interstellar travel and leave here altogether.This is a neat hobby .. everyone should lighten up and enjoy all the great toys we have to use and all there is to is to learn.Cheers and happy landings to all!!!

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