Hi,I thought of something that could be quite the brain teaser, if there are any takers. Try this; please find a VALID route from Lisbon to Warsaw at or bellow FL180, using the shortest possible route. Easy?Well.........Hope you enjoy itCheers

This is short as I could acheive...cheating using Pmflightplanner :). about 1400nm. Valid? Well, I don't know but worth a try.FTM7N N872 VIS B47 RIVRO G52 DGONB B190 SSN R10 LMG G21 RLP R11 EPL G21 SBN W718 NKR Z12 SULUS Z23 RAPET T49 KONAR N869 OKX T40 UVSOV N869 TRZ R11 LDZ1

Let's give this a shot: NSA7S.NSA PORLI UN870 RODAP UN873 ZMR G52 DGO B190 SSN R10 LMG G21 SBN W718 NKR Z12 SULUS L984 RAK N871 LDZ.LDZ1 The route distance is 1583NM ... Not sure if some of these airways and fixes are out of date. Nice to see you back! Nate

Sorry Nate,No low airspace routes between PORLI RODAP ZMR, W718 not available SBN NKR from F085 to F999 and N871 not available LAGAR LDZ from F000 to F195.Cheers

Sorry OBK,W718 NOT AVAILABLE ON PORTION SBN NKR ON FL RANGE F085..F999Z23 NOT AVAILABLE ON PORTION SULUS RAPET ON FL RANGE F000..F999T49 NOT AVAILABLE ON PORTION RAPET KONAR ON FL RANGE F000..F999 N869 NOT AVAILABLE ON PORTION KONAR OKX ON FL RANGE F000..F999 N869 NOT AVAILABLE ON PORTION UVSOV TRZ ON FL RANGE F000..F999Cheers

LPPT DCT EPWA :):):)

OK, I think I have it fixed. It came back with no errors at least.LPPT MORAS B60 CCS G7 CJN G5 BRITO R870 DIBER A6 MTG G701 PIXOT Y46 LELDI Y14 PIGOS Y15 ABN M985 GEN M859 FER M726 ANELA Z715 GOVEN H87 KELOD G9 LDZ EPWAregards,Jasper :-wave

Not bad at all JRR. It valid at F180 and looks good. Still a bit long though .I'm sure you or someone else can find something quite shorter. It's out there. By the way, how many NM on this one?Cheers

Here is my attempt.MORAS7N MORAS B60 CCS G7 TLD B190 SSN R10 LMG G21 RLP R11 OBORN V17 LUPEN T126 SUL Y710 ESULI N851 TGO N869 ANELA Z715 ABKIS Q240 BESIP P96 GUDON B96 ODERA P96 OKX T40 UVSOV R11 LDZ LDZ1N0498F170 DCT BULAS DCT MORAS/N0496F180 B60 CCS G7 TLD B190 SSNR10 LMG G21 RLP/N0490F170 R11 OBORN V17 LUPEN T126 SUL Y710ESULI/N0487F180 N851 TGO/N0489F170 N869 ANELA Z715ABKIS/N0488F160 Q240 BESIP/N0489F150 P96 GUDON B96 ODERA P96 OKXT40 UVSOV R11 LDZ LDZ1

Getting closer...>MORAS7N MORAS B60 CCS G7 TLD B190 SSN R10 LMG G21 RLP R11 >OBORN V17 LUPEN T126 SUL Y710 ESULI N851 TGO N869 ANELA Z715 >ABKIS >Q240 BESIP P96 GUDON B96 ODERA P96 OKX T40 UVSOV R11 LDZ >LDZ1 >N0498F170 DCT BULAS DCT MORAS/N0496F180 B60 CCS G7 TLD B190 >SSN >R10 LMG G21 RLP/N0490F170 R11 OBORN V17 LUPEN T126 SUL Y710 >ESULI/N0487F180 N851 TGO/N0489F170 N869 ANELA Z715 >ABKIS/N0488F160 Q240 BESIP/N0489F150 P96 GUDON B96 ODERA P96 >OKX >T40 UVSOV R11 LDZ LDZ1 On both routes;PROF: RS: ON FORBIDDEN ROUTE:NORASKEGOS0001 REF:N869 DKB.ANELA UNIT:RAD12 4072 BETWEEN:LPPT EPWAPROF: RS: ON FORBIDDEN ROUTE:NORASKEGOS0001 REF:N869 DKB.ANELA UNIT:RAD12 4071 BETWEEN:LPPT EPWAPROF: RS: ON FORBIDDEN ROUTE:TGOGUPIN0001 REF:N869 TGO.DKB UNIT:RAD12 4074 BETWEEN:LPPT EPWAPROF: RS: ON FORBIDDEN ROUTE:LUPENSUL0001 REF:T125.6.7ROMIR.REUTL. UNIT:RAD12 6020 BETWEEN:LPPT EPWAPROF: RS: ON FORBIDDEN ROUTE:SULESULI0001 REF:Y710 DENEL.ETAGO UNIT:RAD12 1380 BETWEEN:LPPT EPWA;) Cheers

My route is 1802 NM long, indeed a little bit long. A direct line from Lisbon to Warsaw is 1480 nm long. Too bad I don't have the E(LO) 3 & 4 charts, so I can't make a route above France and then to Germany.Jasper :-wave

Hi Tocart,It is a very difficult one :), but here is my attempt (validated for tomorrow):MORAS B60 CCS G7 TLD B190 SSN R10 LMG G21 MOU B373 TRO G40 VATRI B3 DIKOL J10 SUIPE R10 MMD R110 NTM L984 RAK N871 HOLAN T40 UVSOV R11 LDZRegards,Koen

Very nice Koen. How many NM please?Cheers

Very nice Koen.How many NM please? And I am very sorry, I should have mentioned this before; the distance you need to beat or equalize is 1613NM, give or take a mile.Cheers

Hi Tocart,It's a little bit more than that :)The enroute distance is 1517 nm, from runway to runway it is 1669.7 nm...LPPT/21..MORAS