Despite the service pack the wind directions and speeds just are not consistantly accurate in the briefing compared to the actual sim. I am flying the plan but at each waypoint the wind speed and wind hdg are significantly off on the majority of points, this is causing havoc with my fuel calculations which i base on the wind derived from the the sim by the asx briefingkav

Hi,Sorry for the problem. Which wind smoothing options do you have checked On?Thanks,Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/banners/hifi-community-sigbanner.jpghttp://www.hifisim.com/

i have wind date smooting and shift stabilization checked and fsuipc smoothing on tookav

wind data i meant sorrykav

Hi,The Wind Data Smoothing Option will in fact modify the data, so in this case, please try with that option Off.Thanks,Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/banners/hifi-community-sigbanner.jpghttp://www.hifisim.com/

>Hi,>>The Wind Data Smoothing Option will in fact modify the data,>so in this case, please try with that option Off.>>Thanks,>Jimwell i understand that smoothing will modify the actual wind in the sim and the direction too but what i am seeing is stronger winds in the sim than in the briefing? so surely even if the actual winds in the sim are altered then the report should reflect those changes i dont understand what the point is otherwise. To me there is no point in the data in the report just bieng alterd if the winds in the sim are notwhy can ASX not smooth the sim out then read the resulting winds to put in the briefing? what is the point in an innacurate briefing at all but you cant do with out the smoothing so u are stuck either way?kav

Hi,The briefing can only use the real world data and briefing has no idea how the smoothing options are going to modify the data. Also, the briefing is a snapshot (static) while the smoothing is dynamic.What happens for you if you turn off the smoothing options?Thanks,Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/banners/hifi-community-sigbanner.jpghttp://www.hifisim.com/

does the same apply to the wind stabilization option too?kav

Hi,Dynamic, yes, but it waits until wind shifts are present and then attempts to neutralize the shifts. It should not modify the data as far as I know.Thanks,Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/banners/hifi-community-sigbanner.jpghttp://www.hifisim.com/

im confused ........how can it nuetralize the shift if it does not modify the wind speed or direction, that is simply not possible surely if the briefing read sthe real weather download as it is then anything you alter after that weather wise in the sim will cause there to be a difference in the brief there for both smooting and stabilization should cause this problemyou mention dynamic weather too does this mean that what ever the briefing snapshot is at the time its taken by the time you reach that waypoint if say its hours away the wind s there will be different anyway dispite having smooting and stabilization unchecked?all i want to know is how can i achieve the same data accuratly in the briefing that is in the sim , simple as that? how ?thankskav

Hi,By nature, a briefing is a pre-flight snapshot of weather conditions along a route. It is not an absolute, end all, be all, report. Even in the real world, a pilot is constantly updating his/her flight data. How? By requesting data to be refreshed/updated. You can do the same in ASX by going to the Briefing page and re-processing your flight plan. Yes, on multi-hour flights the conditions at a far away point can be totally different if you do not refresh the briefing. That is how to have accurate briefing data on a very long flight.I hope this helps you out. If not please ask more questions and I will attempt to help!Thanks,Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/banners/hifi-community-sigbanner.jpghttp://www.hifisim.com/

Hi Kav & JimI understand what your after Kav but it just isn't possible to get exact weather data unless a new system was put in place to get other flight data, and, even if this was done the corridor you want to fly would need to be flown by someone else before hand and not to long ago.This brings me to the Real World. All data from other flights and MET conditions are taken into account to plan a flight (re fuel) except for one major thing. We don't take into consideration excessive tail winds as if something strange happens we would find ourselves swimming home :(It all comes down to best guess with the info we have available.Now for WX in FS I believe the information in a breifing is not that far off the mark compaired to real life. Remember we get up-dates from other aircraft in real life which you can't get in FS which would account for some of the differences.I'm not trying to justify the differences I am just pointing out why they happen.The other problem that would also be affecting your "True" winds aloft would be simply the system that is being used. As you know if you run RAW FSX real time data or ASX data you get very anoying wind shifts that sometimes tend to stick in the completly wrong direction until the WX refreshes again, and then we get the shift again. This also causes a conflict in data.This problem has been addressed by ASX and FSUIPC and has success in stabilising the winds at the cost of having them from the wrong direction until the 2 systems catch up with each other. It frustrates all of us and I am sure HiFi will get it sorted one day so there package can work as a stand alone.Until then I can only let you know what I have done with my settings to try and get a good ballance of "True" WX and aircraft stability.Firstly I got rid of FSUIPC, ASX and FSInn and just ran FSX in real time WX until I had all the internal adjustments sorted. There are lots of Tweaks that can be made in the CFG file to smooth things out and they are posted all over the web. You just have to try some different things to see what works for you. It's no good loading up another software package until you have your current system working as close as possible to 100% as the problems will just compound each other.After getting these 2000 issues sorted I then loaded FSFDT FSCopilot & FSInn. The biggest thing to remember with FSInn is to disable the WX. This in most cases has to be done via the FWInn UI Panel outside of the FS environment otherwise she can still transmit WX info to the FS randomly which will give you different WX. After testing and ensuring over a few hrs/different flights and reboots that your FS is the only thing controlling the WX you then go to the next step. There are also 2000 do's and dont's with this package as well so better put the glasses on....Next load ASX and now play with the settings in this to get the resualts your after. Now I don't know if this is well known or if it's just me but I found that setting the Windshear adjustment to a lower level solved all my problems for violent in-flight direction changes. I know this will have a flow on effect with WS for landing but I prefer to have a less radical flight. I also have updates at 5 mins and dynamic change at 10% between the updates. See pic for my settings.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/189047.jpgIf you use or want to use FSUIPC load it last after you have things as good as you can and then do the final adjustment with Petes program. I have found I no longer need it (Sorry Pete) :) but its up to you. With all these things it takes hrs and hrs to get things set up but its worth it in the end.I hope this helps you get the best out of your FSX and ASX.RegardsSteve

thanks for the detailed info the only thing that both of you said here that puzzles me is about refreshing the briefing or getting updates from other aircraft, all i was interested in was getting as accurate info as possible information before take of for fuel planning. There is no need or point in refreshing the briefing as once airborne it is too late to load more fuel. to me that is no different to reading the info from the fmc and pnd about the winds im actually flying through, useless realy in regard to fuel planning.sory both i was not trying to pick holes in what is a great progrem but just want to try and achieve somthing close to realistic fuel planning buy determining the winds in order to assertain the additional wind distance if mainly a head wind and so far ive been way off based on reading from the brief but i will try and tweak things as you have suggested to get a balancethankskav

now i know this is asking a bit much but surely in real word when a pilot plans say a 12 hour flight he checks the wind at each waypoint. now lets say waypoint 20 for example wont be reached untill 10 hours in to the flight what is the point in him calculating the fuel based on the wind date for that point taken in the snapshot he has in front of him at the time ,unless the snapshot takes in to account the dynamic changes and is prediction the wind at each point based on the approximatee time the aircraft will pass that point not the currant conditions unless no changes are forcast for the entire duration of the flight, or the predicted changes are minimal and not worth accounting fortherefore in asx unless i switch of dynamic change then there is realy little point in using the briefing to get accurate wind data for a long flight like this as the conditions will have probably changed by the time the aircraft gets there to some far of waypoint?kav

Hi KavI think the problem here is your not fully understanding how a Weather Briefing is conducted and with what information in the Real World and how to apply that to the VA world, or if you do understand it your just not doing it.Remember the Brief from ASX is only one very small part to the complete briefing (same as real world). All I can suggest is you become a member of a VA that can supply you with the other components of a briefing or source them from the net yourself.It is an impossibility for any software to supply what your after if it doesn't get the info supplied to it (again same as real world)To set up what I think your after (a true to life weather briefing) we would require 1...Authority to tap into all the real world airlines weather offices data (I don't think they would let us somehow) or2...Set up our own complete weather briefing service.To do this second option we would need people to play the role of weather stations (just like ATC etc), get all the VA's to cooperate and share their flight data (that won't happen), Vatsim to put a system in place where we can all get real time access to everyones full data read outs (starting to sound commercial now) and of course ASX to compile all this info and send it to us.After this is done we then need to employ a weather specialist to give us dumb pilots an idea as what to expect.As you can see it's not a simple thing so I like to go back to my first and only rule...It's best guess.IF at the end of all this ASX gives us exact details of the weather then whats the point...You might as well fly in clear skys. The whole idea is to work it out for yourself to keep the realism and plan for an arrival with enough fuel. Thats the challange but the info is out there and it can be done.Remember ASX Briefing is about 5% of the whole picture and of course it will not be accurate because it doen't have all that other info and above all, real weather is all left to be interpurted by someone at some point, not a computer.Sorry Kav but thats it, the best we can do for now.Happy trailsSteve