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I'm currently running Birds Eye View, Ultimate Terrain and FSGenesis for scenery/mesh...is anyone running GE Pro on top of those as well?What's the performance impact with GE Pro?ThanksKemoF15AMD FX-624GB Corsair DDR RAMNvidia 7950 GX2 (1GB video)Raptor HDDell 24" wideWinXP

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BEV and GEP are basically the same, except you get worldwide and all seasonal coverage out of the box with GEP.No performance hit as the textures are the same size, though some report that GEP textures shimmer a little.Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/Active Sky V6 Development Team Active Sky V6 Proud SupporterHiFi Beta TeamRadar Contact Supporter: http://www.jdtllc.com/AirSource Member: http://www.air-source.us/FSEconomy Member:http://www.fseconomy.com/

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I load up: FS Genesis NA Mesh and LC, then UT_USA, do the sandwich patch, then load up ASv6.5, GE Pro and finally Flight Environment. Then I let GE Pro build it's texture sets for a day or so. . . When ActiveSky has finished downloading the current weather, over - say Seattle - it will then launch GE Pro which will then select and load the texture which matches the weather. This is a superb system, and makes manual, very basic programs like BEV redundant. I HAD BEV, but it is SO limited that I'm surprised anyone is still using it.There is no noticeable performance impact. It takes longer to load when you are downloading weather and then firing up GEP, but over a half-hour flying session, it's nothing. There is no flight session fps degradation.

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some folks like the UT LandClass for city areas, as it's felt to be better than the FS Genesis city LC, with FSG LC having better "urban/countryside" LC - so both developers created a patch to allow this to happen.http://www.scenerysolutions.com/Downloads.html9th or 10th down.pj

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PJWould you recommend uninstalling BEV and installing GE on top of existing FSGenesis and UT or, uninstall all and start "layering" in as suggested?What does flight environment do in addition to ASv6.5?I had same question about sandwich patch--understand now--lastly, I've got Cloud9's KDCA, FlyTampa KTPA. Imagine KCLT and KDTW, as well as Megahubs airport scenery add-ons, plus freeware KBOS (George Grimshaw) and KLGA--would those have to be reinstalled after installing GE?What's the difference between the recent CD GE version and the downloadable GE PRO?Do you have any screenies to look at?Thanks mate!KemoF15

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1).First I would uninstall BEV, then do a registry clean: then install GE Pro. GE Pro is textures - not landclass or mesh, so it has no impact with either FSG or UT so you wouldn't need to uninstall either.2). FE has great clouds, so I select the "style and mood" of cloud and water anytime. I've seen lots of posts proclaiming this, but I don't know that I can tell the difference!3). No - you won't need to uninstall any of your airport sceneries. They will all work well with GEP. 4). Dunno!5). Gimme ten minutes. . . .:-):-):-):-):-)What a great way to spend Saturday!

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PJGreat timing--I just downloaded GE PRO and am about to uninstall BEV--thanks for the vectors--I'll let you know how it turns out--one final question--BEV can adjust water colors, can GE do that?KemoF15

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. . . don't think so, Kemo - but I do that with FE: check on their site.Taxying out:http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/171226.jpgClimbout:http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/171227.jpgRollin' around Seattle:http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/171228.jpgDowntown:http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/171229.jpgEast of KSEA, flying South:http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/171230.jpgFlyTampa KSEA and area from upwind:http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/171231.jpgDownwind:http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/171232.jpgHope this all helps, and you get the fun experiences that I do!(speaking of fun experiences - now I have to go cut the lawn!)Regards,pj

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PJVery nice pics! I did a quick spin around KCLT--Superb!!!--much better than BEV! Couple questions:1) GE PRo runs in background like ASv6.5?2) What are your techniques/lessons on starting sequence for FS9?Currently, I build flight plan in FSBuild, assign gate in Gatekeeper, download weather in ASv6.5, import my route into ASv6.5 for route weather--minimize (hide), then start FS9--start squawkbox 3.1, then FSACARS for my virtual airline logging.Thanks muchKemoF15

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Hi,1. No, once you submit textures, GEP can be closed down.2. For you:FSBGatekeeperASv6Set up ASv6 to auto run GEP with a flight plan. Import fp.GEP will auto run and you answer 3 questions and GEP will shut down and FS04 will be loading.Thanks, Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/Active Sky V6 Development Team Active Sky V6 Proud SupporterHiFi Beta TeamRadar Contact Supporter: http://www.jdtllc.com/AirSource Member: http://www.air-source.us/FSEconomy Member:http://www.fseconomy.com/

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Thanks Jim--how do I setup ASv6 to auto run GEP?PJ--GEP comes with default partly cloudy texture--when creating a new texture set--like overcast--what value do you put in box? they all have a zero in them.ThanksKemoF15

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Jim, when we set our ASv6 to run GEpro, on auto sumit, does GEpro auto start FS9 auto. I don't want it to, because I then use FE and Sky Environment. What I do is1. Start ASv6 in paused mode. Import FP2. Start FE , randomise and install3. Start Sky Enviroment and choose my sky and install4. Start FS9, get to my airport and then Refresh ASv6. This gives me FE clouds and water, Sky Enviroment's sky and ASv6 weather engine. Were would I stick GE pro in this config to use its ground textures. thanks Jim love your program and support, Bob

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Hi Kemo,Create texture sets when you are going to be away from your computer for a bit of time. I think 10 sets each is a good starting point. Remember to defrag after creating sets.On the ASv6 Options page under Grpahics there is a Box called Enable GE Pro Submit on New FP. That should do it when you import and process a plan.Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/Active Sky V6 Development Team Active Sky V6 Proud SupporterHiFi Beta TeamRadar Contact Supporter: http://www.jdtllc.com/AirSource Member: http://www.air-source.us/FSEconomy Member:http://www.fseconomy.com/

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Hi Bob,Thanks for the words!Yes, you cna still follow your procedure and the last of the 3 GEP questions is do you wish to start FS04 and you will answer No, in order to do your other set-ups.Thanks,Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/Active Sky V6 Development Team Active Sky V6 Proud SupporterHiFi Beta TeamRadar Contact Supporter: http://www.jdtllc.com/AirSource Member: http://www.air-source.us/FSEconomy Member:http://www.fseconomy.com/

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Hi Kemo;Yeah - it's a bit confusing. The opening screen will show you what you've got installed. When you click "Create" you go to a screen which asks you how many sets of a particular environment you want: i.e. "partly cloudy" That zero means that you are creating no sets. So put a "3" there: it will then begin to create those three sets (2 runs per set), and dependent upon the horsepower of your pc - it can take 8 minutes per set - or 12 mps, or 25 mps - so if you want 15 sets of "overcast" - it can take quite a while. I think most folks let it do this overnight. Also - it will speed things up a bit if you click on the Task Manager, and change the priority to RealTime: this will push 99% of all the other processes into the background. I have a lot of ground set (I think), but not too many cloud sets, because I'm using FE. (I'm not sure this is correct logic - and maybe Jim will correct me :-) ?): It works, though, and you can see from the pics - I can get a huge volume of cloud cover, from wispy to full overcast/total IMC conditions. I fully agree with Bob's sentiments! All these programs are fantastic!http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/171234.jpgHi Bob:Here's my thought, and it may need correcting by Jim!:(FS Autostart to shutdown unecessary services, etc), then:1). FE2). SE (one of these two isn't really needed, because they both do Sky, but FE also does water as well. I don't have SE, so I don't know)3). AS - which will call GE (either manually or automatically, though I've never done it automatically)- to pick and install a ground texture set which will match what weather you're experiencing. The set will be the closest one to match your weather, and so it's a good idea to create a lot of sets when you first install it. . . and it can take d a y s and d a y s. . . . ;(4). Then start FS9.

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Thanks PJ,Bob, and Jim for the expert inputs--will save some head scratching later...one final question if I may; if I have created sky color, cloud textures etc in ASv6.5, will GE Pro continue to use those or am I required to develop sky/cloud texture sets in GE?ThanksKemoHere's a quick shot of KCLT from an F-16...roads joint together seamlessly (textures are a bit off from this perspective but I think I can adjust)--I downloaded FSWater to tone the water colors down---if anyone else has a good lead on where you can adjust water colors please let me know.Looks like I'll be busy the rest of today!GEviper.jpg

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You can force Active Sky to use GE Pro Sky or AS textures, Kemo. Look in the Graphics box on the right side.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/171252.jpgBuild your ground textures (as many as you can tolerate waiting for!)- because that's what GE Pro excels at - and just ignore the sky textures and I think it will then continue to use the AS textures. Cheerspj

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PJ/JimI just purchased flight environment--and selected water, sky, and cloud textures--now how do I get FE to load the graphics but run on the ASv6.5 platform (dynamic weather)...along with GE pro?Kemo

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OK - my lawn is half-cut: the wife can finish it off! :-)Congratulations!Start FE: select whatever theme you think will look good: my current:-http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/171257.jpgthen just "Save and Install". That's all you need to do.Then: launch AS, get your weather; when it's "completed", click on "GE Pro", let it match and load it's ground textures. When that's done, you can close GE Pro and manually start FS9. Your cloud theme textures will now be those of FE, controlled and responding to the continuously- running ActiveSky weather, and with the ground textures being generated and installed by GE Pro - but the "look and feel" of them - the selection of the set - directed by ActiveSky in response to the downloaded weather. This is how I do it, Kemo: I hope this what you need.I'll also include my current fs9.cfg, as these settings also have some measure of influence:http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/171259.txt

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Excellent thread and explanations, thanks.

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PJHopefully the spouse will understand--this is critical stuff!! I just give mine some plastic and she's off to the mall for the day (ahhh-guilt free simming--and, I cut the grass yesterday). I appreciate the assistance--I'm really amazed at the difference that GE PRO and FE make! Who needs FSX??? Just kidding! I've got that loaded too but haven't fired it up in several months.Kemo

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No sweat; you're right - don't they just. I just glad you're being successful. It's a lot of frustration and hard work sometimes. It's good to have the expert support that guys like Jim, Rob Young, Jim Vile, Al Kreisman, Holger, Justin - and a goodly number of other folks - provide; I've sure had my share of asking for help, so it's good to give a little bit back.Since I've had these seven or eight addons I've been mesmerized so many times. The real big issue comes when making these four work together:- Flight Scenery's Portland, FT KSEA, FS Genesis mesh and LC, plus UT_USA. This combined packaged is one b***** to recover from if it goes wrong - there are roads in the water, humps of land where they shouldn't be, plateaus, sloping water. . . but when set up and using GE Pro and Active Sky - I don't want to fly anywhere else! The whole north-western USA is utterly magic to explore, because it's done so well. Flight Scenery's Portland has four airports which are all first-class in detail. When you combine it with short hops, vmc - or even imc - flight from Hillsboro, Oregon, up to Paine (or even further up with the Jon Patch/Holger Sandman sceneries) and in something like the Digital Aviation Do27 - then (personally) I'm in Nirvana!Oh - and I hafta tell you - I just got swatted up the side o' my head for not finishing the lawn! . . and making it public. . .Too late to try the plastic, I guess. . . . .:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lolRegards,pj

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PJI was tooling around Kansas in B1900 and given the forecast, I ought to be seeing some major thunderstorms--does FE model those?Kemo

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hmmmm . . now that's one for Jim to answer. . . I don't think I've ever felt the effects of a thunderstorm - the way you do in the rw. I've seen them many times on radar, and have flown through heavy precip and black, turbulent cloud, but have never looked at the met forcast to actually know I was in one, or going into one. I guess we're both going to find out!pj

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