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Where's the '#### livery XXXX thread gone?

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Since i started it, I would also like to know where it has gone. It seems to me that someone is overly politicly Correct.Anyways Toni you were right about ###### I will never get anywhere with them, and their policy. I just cant wait for shops to start taking their windows out because nobody looks in them :)Jason

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>because nobody looks in them :)>>>Huh?>Dont worry I was being sarcastic, I mean if they pulled their discount liverys due to lack of intrest, then what will shops do, if nobody looked in their windows, board up their windows, and stop advertising in them. It did not cost them a penny to keep the Discount liverys up, and provided a good opertunity to make extra money, but now you buy one plane and nothing else, so instead of

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I think it could have been removed because of me. I too had noticed the TM thing. How the hell can you TM veloce wheels ? I mentioned in my reply that he had in fact TM'd the Italian word for fast (i.e. moving wheels)The other was active trim, which my FFX 737-200 has, (so nothing new, from PT there.)I also mentioned that next would be a patent application on the Italian language to secure the TM and all Italian speakers would there fore have to pay

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I may be wrong (I'm not a lawyer ;-) ), but I believe that you have to officially register a trademark before you can put "" after something, otherwise it's stretching Trade Descriptions legislation by creating an impression which is basically false.Perhaps someone legally astute could enlighten us.....?Toni :-lol

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"The thread, which when I last saw it was in no way rude or defamatory,"Well, it quickly go that way Toni."This new policy regarding this publisher speaks volumes.." Well, I had a change of heart and removed the block before seeing your post here Toni, but enlighten me... What does blocking that name this speak volumes of????

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You know something Martin, you've changed from being amiable to being a total Tishma troll.One certain way to get things removed is to add the expletives you have become fond of,whenever somebody does not chant the Tishma / bobbo / Nev mantra.I would suggest to Tom, remove your post's or better still remove you. The ploy you use is an old Tishma troll trick,used time and time again in the past to have the negatives removed. Frankly, it's boring as are Tishma's efforts to distort truths and elaborations.I pity you in so much as you really have been suckered by Bobbo into believing he's a real person and a nice guy, that is until you have served your usefulness.AD

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Ok and ill repeat my self.How can I buy liverys for the 737-500 before its out. I did buy most of the 737-400 /300 liverys. And again I ask the question, How much did it cost them to put or keep the liverys up. Isnt it worth keeping them up as people would rather buy a

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Yesterday evening there was an interesting discussion here regarding ####'s livery repaint policy and pricing structure, their alleged misuse of trademarks ("tm") and comparisons to other developers such as PSS and FFX.The thread, which when I last saw it was in no way rude or defamatory, suddenly disappeared. Not locked, but simply gone...Can anybody throw light on this 'Bermuda Triangle' effect?Toni.'Edit update'Immediately after posting the above I noticed the publisher's name has been 'hashed out' by the system. (If confused, it begins with 'A', has 6 letters, etc.) This new policy regarding this publisher speaks volumes........ Toni.

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You are right, the profanity is unacceptable, and I have removed his message. If I have to remove one again, he'll not have the opportunity to post at all.

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have you directly spoken to them.whenever i had a problem, i spoke to them, like i do with any supplier, and explain the situation. The response of Ariane was always good. could be faster, but still good enough.people start to complain very fast when Ariane is involved. No one really complains about Wilco, why? very strange. i don't care what Ariane or PT or whoever did in the past, everyone deserves a chance. as long as he is fair to me i am fair to them.i tell you a nice story with a car. i purchased a Skoda Octavia Combi last year and a like very much the rim of the Octavia "normal" however it was not available as an free option for my type since the Combi and the "Normal" one is put toghther in two diffrent countries. well i could decide between paying the tripple price for the rim or to keep the standard one. nothing to do about. i took the default one. it is up to you now to decide to purchase high price or not. can you live without it or not. that is fair. Ariane has to decide themself the risk of loosing customers. like Skoda did with me. They said take it or leave it. you have the choice. so stop complaining. try to ask serious questions like why an aircraft is bouncing up and down. but don't start harrassing people and create a fight against someone. if you are a loyal cutomer, like you're saying, i am convinced you find a way ;)PS: the FDE's of Ariane haven't always been excellent, at least the BBJ is good enough. the version 1.5 of the 737-300/-400 are good enough too. my collegue can confirm that. he is a former 737 pilot. he confirm that it is not accurate 100%, but there are limitations given by FS. FFX FDE is uncool too, or do you find it realistic that the Nose is looking 10 degrees + up when flying at FL370.Both problems are related to the same, they passenger loadout is unbalanced. try to modify the loadout and you will see the Ariane 737-500 without bouncing up and down +/-100 ft.Martin "Hollywood"

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>have you directly spoken to them.>>whenever i had a problem, i spoke to them, like i do with any>supplier, and explain the situation. The response of Ariane>was always good. could be faster, but still good enough.>>people start to complain very fast when Ariane is involved. No>one really complains about Wilco, why? very strange. i don't>care what Ariane or PT or whoever did in the past, everyone>deserves a chance. as long as he is fair to me i am fair to>them.>>i tell you a nice story with a car. >i purchased a Skoda Octavia Combi last year and a like very>much the rim of the Octavia "normal" however it was not>available as an free option for my type since the Combi and>the "Normal" one is put toghther in two diffrent countries.>well i could decide between paying the tripple price for the>rim or to keep the standard one. nothing to do about. i took>the default one. >>it is up to you now to decide to purchase high price or not.>can you live without it or not. that is fair. Ariane has to>decide themself the risk of loosing customers. like Skoda did>with me. They said take it or leave it. >>you have the choice. so stop complaining. try to ask serious>questions like why an aircraft is bouncing up and down. but>don't start harrassing people and create a fight against>someone. >>if you are a loyal cutomer, like you're saying, i am convinced>you find a way ;)>>>PS: the FDE's of Ariane haven't always been excellent, at>least the BBJ is good enough. the version 1.5 of the>737-300/-400 are good enough too. my collegue can confirm>that. he is a former 737 pilot. he confirm that it is not>accurate 100%, but there are limitations given by FS. FFX FDE>is uncool too, or do you find it realistic that the Nose is>looking 10 degrees + up when flying at FL370.>Both problems are related to the same, they passenger loadout>is unbalanced. try to modify the loadout and you will see the>Ariane 737-500 without bouncing up and down +/-100 ft.>>Martin "Hollywood">>>>>Loyalty has nothing to do with it, Your Skoda was a differnt shape, ie things attached to it, rimms are on the metal you would have to bash them out, which means changing the underlying object. The 737-500 model is the same, exactly the same, differnt paints, on the same model. Why do we still have to buy the model again. You can still chage the colour without buying the car again or having to have the car's shape changed, which is what buying liverys areAgain Martin you have no point here IMHO Yes i have a choice to buy high, and my choice next time.. Ill choose not to.So from me its bye bye Guys, your discusting livery policy, so martin cant copy you when he starts his own business.. :)Jason

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wrong conclusionthat was not the point. the point was that company policies of Skoda didn't allow transfers from Limo to Combi. the rimm would have been properly fitting.it is useless for me now to complain in each Car forum about this. i will not change the polica of Skodai had the choice and said no. ;)i admitt that english is not my mother tongue and i am sorry if i could not get it right to the point. ... i have a business and i am certainly not interested in copying anyone that is related to a hobby. have fun!

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"i admitt that english is not my mother tongue" Very Convienient Martin. Perhaps this is why when you write such as :-"No one really complains about Wilco, why? very strange. i don't care what Ariane or PT or whoever did in the past, everyone deserves a chance." Is because the earlier debacle involving Bobbo / Nev / Peter, you did not understand ?There are many developers, store owners, end users and web site owners who would have many legitimate reasons to counter your argument. A search here on the front pages will reveal more, then as English is not your tounge, you can translate via Google or Babel Fish to discover more.In respect of Wilco, personally I am not a fan. However you must understand Wilco does NOT hide behind many alternate names, call themselves Bobbo, Nev or what ever. To the best of my knowledge Wilco has not ran up debts of over

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Martin< i don't care what Ariane or PT or whoever did in the past, everyone deserves a chance. as long as he is fair to me i am fair to them.>In general, you are right of course - everyone deserves a chance, but how many chances does this particular guy deserve? Here's a VERY brief history:Started Papa Tango Ltd. Tried to manipulate/take over & control FS. Got greedy, lost the company, blamed everyone else.Started Corporate Worldwide Ltd. ('World Air Sim'). Released a load of stuff that wasn't his and claimed it was FS2002 compatible which it clearly never was. Got greedy, lost the company, blamed everyone else.Started Ariane (still using false identities). Removed discount repaints. Blamed everyone else. Re-hashed previous releases and put them out as completely new (which they're not). Used others peoples features and made suggestion of them being his by giving them a new name and 'tm'. Sells same planes over and over to unsuspecting customers through dubious misleading infomercial-style 'marketing'. Still as greedy as ever, and still blaming everyone else!Martin, can you see a clear pattern here.....?Toni.

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So the only reason for removing Discount liverys is just pure Greed then?And The 737-500 still bounces like a super ball, what about the fix for that!!!!!!!!!!, will I have to pay

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Hi Toni,>I believe that you have to officially register a trademark before you can put "" after somethinghttp://hifi.avsim.net/activesky/images/wxrebeta.jpg

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I just had a thought Jason, if Ariane is now owned by Nev, why does he not come here and defend Arianes actions ?After all he is supposedly a financial whizkid and would recognise this as an opertunity. Perhaps we could have Toni interview him ? He would know tthe right questions to ask and who can forget Tishma's creepy looks ?Seems a good idea to me. So good it's TM'd.AD

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Right on AD,But i guess he would even the interview, I am so never buying stuff from them again, and he stamp that with a on his butt. :)JasonEDIT****I actually feel Sorry for him, at the end of the day nobody can deny that they do make good models, and despite his past his current company could be away to reedeem himself, But no I have to Pay

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JasonOf course there was interest and no doubt, reasonable sales too. Understanding the 'logic' is quite easy. Open your dictionary and look up 'greed'. It's as simple as that. And whilst you've got your dictionary open, look up the colloquial definition of 'shaft'....<....at the end of the day nobody can deny that they do make good models.>I challenge that statement. I believe there has been only one, maybe two models, umpteen 'upgrades/paint tweaks' re-sold as 'new', and a few animation GMAX effects added. But when you look a bit deeper, you'll appreciate that there are only so many 737 derivatives made by Boeing.Series 300, 400, 500 - near as damn it, the same. Series 800 etc, longer fuselage (a few window tweaks).BBJ, same again but with winglets.Effectively,

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Toni your right,I am in no way a liberal person, but I dont enjoy bashing him or is company, However if he does not respond, or change his wayward ways, I think ill have to carry on to some degree. As far as the models goes again Toni I 100% Agree, but what I ment was they are still well done.I guess I dont feel sorry for him. Thanks Toni for your support in this IMHO horrendus situation "of literaly biting the hand that feeds you"Oh buy the way I just completed my very first VOR to VOR flight in the CaptainSim 727, I am crap at naviagting without an FMC (Spoiled FMC Simmer) I landed reasonbly well to. Just thought id share that.Jason

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Toni,There are much greater differences between the 737 classics and the NG series than just a "longer fuesalage" and "a few window tweaks"There is a whole new wing, engine cowl and necelle, wing root area, tail assembly and undercarriage. In fact, the only thing that is common between the two is the nose and fueselage cross section.The only re-usable part of any 737 classic model on an NG would be the nose and part of the fueselage.TomAFG.

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My personal thoughts regarding 737's, the FFX offerings can only get better, I'm sure we'll see a tweak here and there on the modeling. Some of the FREE repaints for the series are without doubt outstanding.But also to prove Toni's theory of rehashed planes, drop an Ariane 300 repaint into a 400 model, fits perfect apart from a little tweak here and there for the window placings.Simmers $0.00 Tishma/Nev $00000's that the real deal, he's fleeced you all with BS TM's. Also try them as AI, line them up, they're the same size.AD

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"they do make good models" you have the Captain Sim 727 ? I'll let you into a secret....look at the nose's, they're the same model . Tishy buys them in, not from CS but another Russian. AD

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