Hi all,None of the lights for any of my aircraft work correctly. Even the lights for the default aircraft are messed up. It seems only the panel and landing lights work correctly. The beacon, nav, and strobes do NOT work.Strangely enough, at night, it seems that the nav lights are actually inside the fuel tanks of my F1 Cessna 310. I can also see the beacon flashing, except it's flashing from inside the tail! I have no idea what the cause of this is.I've had everything installed for quiet sometime and I don't want to reinstall FS. Except for this light problem that popped up , I have the FS exactly the way I want it. I even uninstalled/reinstalled the payware aircraft, but that didn't do anything. Did a cfg file get messed up somehow? Thanks for your help.

Hello,Please post here your aircraft.cfg lights section of the default Cessna 172 so it can be reviewedRegards.Gus.

Thanks for your prompt reply! Hopefully we can get this figured out. Only the landing and panel lights work here.[General]atc_type=Cessnaatc_model=C172editable=0performance="Maximum Speed\n126 kts 203 km\/hr\n\nCruise Speed\n124 kts 200 km\/hr\n\nEngine\nTextron Lycoming IO-360-L2A 180 bhp\n\nPropeller\nTwo-Bladed Macauley Fixed Pitch\n\nMaximum Range\n638 nm 734 mi 1181 km\n\nService Ceiling\n14,000 ft\t 4267 m\n\nFuel Capacity\n56 gal\t 212 L\t \n\nEmpty Weight\n1,665 lb\t 1,002 kg\n\nMaximum Gross Weight\n2,550 lb\t 1,157 kg\n\nLength\n27 ft, 2 in 8.2 m\n\nWingspan\n36 ft, 1 in\t 11 m\n\nHeight\n8 ft, 11 in\t 2.72 m\n\nSeating\t 4\n\nUseful Load\n893 lb\t 405 kg\n"[WEIGHT_AND_BALANCE]max_gross_weight = 2550 // (pounds)empty_weight = 1650 // (pounds)reference_datum_position = 3.6, 0, 0 // (feet) distance from FlightSim Reference position: (1/4 chord, centerline, waterline)empty_weight_CG_position = -3.0, 0, 0 // (feet) longitudinal, lateral, vertical distance from specified datummax_number_of_stations = 50station_load.0 = "170, -3.0, -1.5, 0.0, Pilot" // Weight (lbs), longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum (feet)station_load.1 = "170, -3.0, 1.5, 0.0, Front Passenger" // Weight (lbs), longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum (feet)station_load.2 = "0, -6.2, -1.5, 0.0, Rear Passenger" // Weight (lbs), longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum (feet)station_load.3 = "0, -6.2, 1.5, 0.0, Rear Passenger" // Weight (lbs), longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum (feet)station_load.4 = "0, -8.0, 0.0, 0.0, Baggage" // Weight (lbs), longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum (feet);Moments of Inertiaempty_weight_pitch_MOI = 1400.0empty_weight_roll_MOI = 1137.0empty_weight_yaw_MOI = 2360.0empty_weight_coupled_MOI= 0.0[flight_tuning]cruise_lift_scalar = 1.0parasite_drag_scalar = 1.0induced_drag_scalar = 1.0elevator_effectiveness = 1.0aileron_effectiveness = 1.0rudder_effectiveness = 1.0pitch_stability = 1.0roll_stability = 1.0yaw_stability = 1.0elevator_trim_effectiveness = 1.0aileron_trim_effectiveness = 1.0rudder_trim_effectiveness = 1.0[GeneralEngineData]engine_type = 0 //0=Piston, 1=Jet, 2=None, 3=Helo-Turbine, 4=Rocket, 5=TurbopropEngine.0 = 2.4, 0.0, 0.0 //(feet) longitudinal, lateral, vertical distance from reference datumfuel_flow_scalar= 0.88 //Fuel flow scalarmin_throttle_limit = 0.0 //Minimum percent throttle. Generally negative for turbine reverser[piston_engine]power_scalar = 1.0 //Piston power scalarcylinder_displacement= 90.0 //Cubic inches per cylindercompression_ratio= 8.5 //Compression rationumber_of_cylinders=4 //Number of cylindersmax_rated_rpm= 2700 //Max rated RPMmax_rated_hp= 180 //Max rated HPfuel_metering_type= 0 //0=Fuel Injected, 1=Gravity Carburetor, 2=Aerobatic Carburetorcooling_type= 0 //0=Cooling type Air, 1=Cooling type Liquidnormalized_starter_torque= 0.3 //Starter torque factorturbocharged= 0 //Is it turbocharged? 0=FALSE, 1=TRUEmax_design_mp= 0 //Max design manifold pressure, (inHg)min_design_mp= 0 //Min design manifold pressure, (inHg)critical_altitude= 0 //Altitude to which the turbocharger will provide max design manifold pressure (feet)emergency_boost_type= 0 //0=None, 1=Water Injection, 2=Methanol/Water injection, 3=War Emergency Poweremergency_boost_mp_offset= 0 //Additional manifold pressure supplied by emergency boostemergency_boost_gain_offset= 0 //Multiplier on manifold pressure due to emergency boostfuel_air_auto_mixture= 0 //Automixture available? 0=FALSE, 1=TRUEauto_ignition= 0 //Auto-Ignition available? 0=FALSE, 1=TRUEmax_rpm_mechanical_efficiency_scalar= 1.0 //Scalar on maximum RPM mechanical efficiencyidle_rpm_mechanical_efficiency_scalar= 1.0 //Scalar on idle RPM mechanical efficiencymax_rpm_friction_scalar= 1.0 //Scalar on maximum RPM frictionidle_rpm_friction_scalar= 1.0 //Scalar on idle RPM friction[propeller]thrust_scalar = 1.0 //Propeller thrust scalarpropeller_type= 1 //0=Constant Speed, 1=Fixed Pitchpropeller_diameter= 6.3 //Propeller Diameter, (feet)propeller_blades= 2 //Number of propeller bladespropeller_moi= 5.0 //Propeller moment of inertiabeta_max= 0 //Maximum blade pitch angle for constant speed prop, (degrees)beta_min= 0 //Minimum blade pitch angle for constant speed prop, (degrees)min_gov_rpm= 0 //Miminum governed RPMprop_tc= 0 //Prop time-constantgear_reduction_ratio= 1.0 //Propeller gear reduction ratiofixed_pitch_beta= 20 //Fixed pitch angle of fixed pitch prop, (degrees)low_speed_theory_limit= 80 //Speed at which low speed theory becomes blended in (feet/second)prop_sync_available= 0 //Prop synchronization available? 0=FALSE, 1=TRUEprop_deice_available= 0 //Prop de-icing available? 0=FALSE, 1=TRUEprop_feathering_available= 0 //Prop feathering available? 0=FALSE, 1=TRUEprop_auto_feathering_available= 0 //Prop auto-feathering available? 0=FALSE, 1=TRUEmin_rpm_for_feather= 0 //Minimum RPM for prop featheringbeta_feather= 0 //Feathering pitch angle (degrees)power_absorbed_cf= 0 //Coefficient of friction for power absorbed by propellerdefeathering_accumulators_available= 0 //Defeathering accumulators available? 0=FALSE, 1=TRUE prop_reverse_available= 0 //Prop reverse available? 0=FALSE, 1=TRUEminimum_on_ground_beta= 0 //Miminum pitch angle on ground, (degrees)minimum_reverse_beta= 0 //Minimum pitch angle in reverse, (degrees)[electrical] ;BusType, MaxAmpLoad, MinVoltage BusTypes:0=MainBus,1=AvionicsBus,2=BatteryBus,3=HotBatteryBus,4-7=Generator/AlternatorBus(1-4)flap_motor = 0, 5 , 17.0gear_motor = 0, 5 , 17.0autopilot = 0, 5 , 17.0avionics_bus = 0, 5 , 17.0avionics = 1, 5 , 17.0pitot_heat = 0, 2 , 17.0additional_system = 0, 2 , 17.0marker_beacon = 1, 2 , 17.0gear_warning = 0, 2 , 17.0fuel_pump = 0, 5 , 17.0starter1 = 0, 20, 17.0light_nav = 0, 5 , 17.0light_beacon = 0, 5 , 17.0light_landing = 0, 5 , 17.0light_taxi = 0, 5 , 17.0light_strobe = 0, 5 , 17.0light_panel = 0, 5 , 17.0 //0 Class //1 Longitudinal Position (feet) //2 Lateral Position (feet) //3 Vertical Position (feet) //4 Impact Damage Threshold (Feet Per Minute) //5 Brake Map (0=None, 1=Left, 2=Right) //6 Wheel Radius (feet) //7 Steer Angle (degrees) //8 Static Compression (feet) (0 if rigid) //9 Max/Static Compression Ratio //10 Damping Ratio (0=Undamped, 1=Critically Damped) //11 Extension Time (seconds) //12 Retraction Time (seconds) //13 Sound Type[contact_points]point.0 = 1, 0.90, 0.00, -4.09, 1500, 0, 0.5, 22.0, 0.25,2.5, 0.7, 0.0, 0.0, 0point.1 = 1, -4.70, -4.50, -4.01, 3500, 1, 0.5, 0.0, 0.3, 2.5, 0.7, 0.0, 0.0, 2point.2 = 1, -4.70, 4.50, -4.01, 3500, 2, 0.5, 0.0, 0.3, 2.5, 0.7, 0.0, 0.0, 3point.3 = 2, -3.90, -18.0, 3.00, 1800, 0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 5point.4 = 2, -3.90 18.0, 3.00, 1800, 0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 6point.5= 2,-20.23, 0.0, 0.30, 1800, 0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 9point.6= 2, 1.48, 0.0, -2.17, 1800, 0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 4point.7= 2,-22.80, 0.0, 5.83, 1800, 0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 7point.8= 2, -4.90, 0.0, -2.00, 1800, 0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 8max_number_of_points = 21static_pitch=3.02 //degrees, pitch when at rest on the ground (+=Up, -=Dn)static_cg_height=3.765 //feet, altitude of CG when at rest on the ground[brakes]parking_brake = 1 //Parking brake availabletoe_brakes_scale = 0.68 //Brake scalar[hydraulic_system]normal_pressure = 0.0 //PSI[Views]eyepoint= -3.95, -0.85, 2.1 //(feet) longitudinal, lateral, vertical distance from reference datum[Radios]// Radio Type = availiable, standby frequency, has glide slopeAudio.1 = 1Com.1 = 1, 1Com.2 = 1, 1Nav.1 = 1, 1, 1Nav.2 = 1, 1, 0Adf.1 = 1Transponder.1 = 1Marker.1 = 1[LIGHTS]//Types: 1=beacon, 2=strobe, 3=navigation, 4=cockpit light.0 = 3, -2.88, -18.11, 2.95, fx_navredlight.1 = 3, -2.88, 18.11, 2.95, fx_navgrelight.2 = 2, -3.15, -18.31, 2.95, fx_strobelight.3 = 2, -3.15, 18.31, 2.95, fx_strobelight.4 = 1, -20.60, 0.00, 6.33, fx_beaconlight.5 = 4, -2.27, 0.00, 1.45, fx_vclight [keyboard_response]//Breakpoint speeds (knots) on the keyboard increments of control surfaces.//Speed at which the incremenet is reduced to 1/2 and 1/8 respectively.elevator = 100, 180aileron = 200, 1000rudder = 200, 1000[direction_indicators]//1 Type: 0=None, 1=Vacuum Gyro, 2=Electric Gyro, 3=Electro-Mag Slaved Compass, 4=Slaved to another//2 Indicator number of slaving indicator if Type = 4direction_indicator.0=1,0[attitude_indicators]//Type: 0=None, 1=Vacuum Gyro, 2=Electric Gyroattitude_indicator.0 = 1 [turn_indicators]//Type: 0=None, 1=Electric Gyro, 2= Vacuum Gyroturn_indicator.0=1,1 //Turn AND Bank[EFFECTS]wake=fx_wakewater=fx_spraydirt=fx_tchdrtconcrete=fx_sparkstouchdown=fx_tchdwn_s, 1[fuel]LeftMain = -3.9, -2.1, 2.5, 26.5, 0.0 //Longitudinal (feet), Lateral (feet), Vertical (feet), Usable(gallons), Unusable (gallons)RightMain = -3.9, 2.1, 2.5, 26.5, 0.0 //Longitudinal (feet), Lateral (feet), Vertical (feet), Usable(gallons), Unusable (gallons)fuel_type = 1 //Fuel type: 1 = Avgas, 2 = JetAnumber_of_tank_selectors = 1 electric_pump=1[airplane_geometry]wing_area = 174.0 //Square feetwing_span = 36.1 //Feetwing_root_chord = 4.9 //Feetwing_dihedral = 1.7 //Degreeswing_incidence = 1.5 //Degreeswing_twist = -3.0 //Degreesoswald_efficiency_factor= 0.68 //Measure of lift effeciency of wingwing_winglets_flag = 0 //Are winglets available?wing_sweep = 0 //Degrees, wing leading edgewing_pos_apex_lon = -2.4 //Feet, longitudinal distance from reference point, negative going aftwing_pos_apex_vert = 0.0 //Feet, vertical distance from reference point, positive going uphtail_area = 39.0 //Square feethtail_span = 11.7 //Feethtail_pos_lon = -18.3 //Feet, longitudinal distance from reference point, negative going afthtail_pos_vert = 0.0 //Feet, vertical distance from reference point, positive going uphtail_incidence = 3.2 //Degreeshtail_sweep = 10.0 //Degrees, horizontal tail leading edgevtail_area = 18.0 //Square feetvtail_span = 4.8 //Feet, tip to bodyvtail_sweep = 40.0 //Degrees, vertical tail leading edgevtail_pos_lon = -16.2 //Feet, longitudinal distance from reference point, negative going aftvtail_pos_vert = 1.5 //Feet, vertical distance from reference point, positive going upelevator_area = 16.6 //Square feetaileron_area = 18.3 //Square feetrudder_area = 6.7 //Square feetelevator_up_limit = 28.0 //Degreeselevator_down_limit = 21.0 //Degreesaileron_up_limit = 20.0 //Degreesaileron_down_limit = 15.0 //Degreesrudder_limit = 24.0 //Degreeselevator_trim_limit = 19.5 //Degreesspoiler_limit = 0.0 //Degreesspoilerons_available = 0 //Spoilerons Available?aileron_to_spoileron_gain = 0 //Aileron to spoileron gainmin_ailerons_for_spoilerons = 0 //Degreesmin_flaps_for_spoilerons = 0 //Minimum flap handle position when spoilerons activate[flaps.0] //Trailing Edge Flapstype = 1 // 1 - tail, 2 - leadspan-outboard = 0.5 // 0.0 .. 1.0extending-time = 7 // secondsflaps-position.0 = 0 // degreesflaps-position.1 = 12.7 // degreesflaps-position.2 = 25.3 // degreesflaps-position.3 = 38 // degreesdamaging-speed = 120 // KIASblowout-speed = 150 // KIASlift_scalar = 1.0 drag_scalar = 1.0pitch_scalar= 1.0system_type = 0 //0=Electric, 1=Hydraulic, 2=Pneumatic, 3=Manual, 4=None[Reference Speeds]flaps_up_stall_speed = 53.0 //Knots True (KTAS)full_flaps_stall_speed = 48.0 //Knots True (KTAS)cruise_speed = 115.0 //Knots True (KTAS)max_indicated_speed = 163 //Red line (KIAS)[autopilot]autopilot_available= 1flight_director_available= 0default_vertical_speed= 700.0autothrottle_available= 0pitch_takeoff_ga=8.0max_pitch=10.0max_pitch_acceleration=1.0max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt=2.0max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt=1.5max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt_breakpoint=20000.0max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt_breakpoint=28000.0max_bank=25.0max_bank_acceleration=1.8max_bank_velocity=3.00max_throttle_rate=0.10nav_proportional_control=9.00nav_integrator_control=0.25nav_derivative_control=0.00nav_integrator_boundary=2.50nav_derivative_boundary=0.00gs_proportional_control=9.52gs_integrator_control=0.26gs_derivative_control=0.00gs_integrator_boundary=0.70gs_derivative_boundary=0.00yaw_damper_gain = 0.0[forcefeedback]gear_bump_nose_magnitude=6000 ; 0 - 10000gear_bump_nose_direction=18000 ; 0 - 35999 degreesgear_bump_nose_duration=250000 ; in microsecondsgear_bump_left_magnitude=6000 ; 0 - 10000gear_bump_left_direction=35500 ; 0 - 35999 degreesgear_bump_left_duration=250000 ; in microsecondsgear_bump_right_magnitude=6000 ; 0 - 10000gear_bump_right_direction=00500 ; 0 - 35999 degreesgear_bump_right_duration=250000 ; in microsecondsground_bumps_magnitude1=3250 ; 0 - 10000ground_bumps_angle1=8900 ; 0 - 35999 degreesground_bumps_intercept1=5.0ground_bumps_slope1=0.48ground_bumps_magnitude2=750 ; 0 - 10000ground_bumps_angle2=9100 ; 0 - 35999 degreesground_bumps_intercept2=0.075ground_bumps_slope2=1.0crash_magnitude1=10000 ; 0 - 10000crash_direction1=01000 ; 0 - 35999 degreescrash_magnitude2=10000 ; 0 - 10000crash_direction2=9000 ; 0 - 35999 degreescrash_period2=75000 ; in microsecondscrash_duration2=2500000 ; in microseconds[stall_warning]type=1

Hello,Your lights position on the C-172 are OKSo your problem has nothing to do with the aircraft.cfg (at least for this plane)One suspect eliminated :)Had you try to reinstall the default effects files (from the FS2004 Disk) ?Regards.Gus.

I was thinking about doing that actually, but after I dug a little deeper into the problem. I guess I'll try that now, thanks for your assistance!Ok, I reinstalled the default effects files to no avail. The nav lights are sunken into the wings and the beacon is flashing from within the tail of the c172. I can see them only faintly however. Strangely enough though, the lights seem to be working correctly only from the tower view at night; but when I go back to spot plane mode, the lights are sunken into the aircraft as I said before. Strange...

bump :(

Hello,On wich OS installed ?Was this install working nice before ?

I've had everything installed for quiet sometime

Seem's yes from your first message so .. what you maybe added to the sim just before the problem shows ... ?Regards.Gus.

Thanks so much for trying to help me out :( I've been installing many new aircraft before I encountered this problem. I plan to uninstall/reinstall every last one. Hopefully this will be it. Thanks once again.

OkI uninstalled every aircraft that I installed recently, and this is not the problem. Now it seems the afterburner effects on my fighters are not working. This seems to be an effects problem, but I reinstalled the effects files yesterday to no avail. This is soooo strange...

The lights in question are effects, as you know.Their display location is dictated in the aircraft.cfg.If you have replaced the default effects from your FS9 discs (which I don't think matters since their location does not come from within those files) and your default C172 exhibits this problem (the [lights] section you posted above matches the default file) then I think your problem might be outside FS.Are you using an English version of Windows and/or have you updated your OS prior to this issue showing up?Not that I can help you after you answer those questions. just seems to me that if the effects show up in the wrong place, and the .cfg entry is right then the problem might be in how your OS is reading the measurements in the aircraft.cfg?Have you added/changed any non-FS software recently?Just trying to think "out of the box" here.regards,Joe

Hello Bravo,I'm using an English version of Windows XP Pro, and the last updates were installed back on the 14th of October, well before the problems were spotted last Thursday. Then again, maybe the problems were indeed caused by the updates and I didn't notice them until recently. After all, I don't use FS9 every single day, so it could have gone unnoticed.

I'm uploading a screenshot of the default C172 so you guys can see what I'm talking about:http://s295.photobucket.com/albums/mm141/r...current=www.jpgAll of the lights are on, and you can clearly see that the nav light is sunken into the aircraft wing, and the tail section is red because of the beacon (it's flashing from within the tail). You can also see there are no strobes present because they don't work.

This is odd.My hypothesis about a dimension reading error is flawed, it would also affect contact points and that isn't happening by the looks of your screenshot.I am at a loss as to why this is happening.Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me can help.Did you try posting this in the panel forum?- http://forums1.avsim.net/index.php?showforum=122Good luck,Joe

Thank you so much for attempting to help me, Bravo. I'll give that forum a try.

Hello,Can you try a experiment ?C-172Save your lights section (or entire aircraft.cfg somewhere)And play with the numbers for modify lights positions and seen if it's a result in the sim.Don't forget to reload the plane after each change made !Please check also your PM.Regards.Gus.