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Oh god no! I just BROKE MY FS2002 DISC 3!

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@ your local Retail store, or phone M$ they will happily send you out a replacement disc, (as long as you have proof of purchase) for a small fee.I mean do you really think anybody would point you to a disc image or download, not to mention the legal aspect of doing so, or that there is even a disc image. IF you can still read it then back it up ASAP.Im not ranting at you, but if some hacker sees requests for disc images, we will have no end of toss pot cracker kids asking for a disc image link.+

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Oh you're thinking I'm making this up? I wish dude. http://forums.avsim.com/user_files/21007.jpg*starts crying*You should see the back... Yugh. I think I'm going to puke. I tried to copy the stuff off the disc, but it didn't work. I got some strange error.. Cyclic.. something or other. Obviously, I can't fix this by polishing or cleaning it.. I heard about freezing the discs which worked with severe scratches.. anyone got any experience with that? I'm willing to try if, if that means I won't have to pay another 50 euro for a copy.

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Hi,I dont think that A321 was having a go at you, mearly stating that it would not be good to advertise the fact that posting a link to an illegal copy of the disk would detremental.As already stated, If you have proof of purchase, I have read many times in the past that MS are very good about replacing broken CD's. Failing that, might be worth calling them and explain your situation, and you would be happy to send the broken disk back to them as the proof. I am sure one way or another you will be able to get a replacement.RgdsAidihttp://www.avsim.com/vfr_center/avsim_sig.jpg

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>I dont think that A321 was having a go at you, My comment wasn't directed at A321, but at hullmann who apparently doesn't believe there is such a thing as simply breaking one's disc. :(>As already stated, If you have proof of purchase, I have read>many times in the past that MS are very good about replacing>broken CD's. I just sent them an E-mail asking them if they could replace the disk *fingers crossed* But it *is* rather urgent, as I'm going on vacation in less then two weeks, and I do need my flight simulator with me :D

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Ouch - that hurts. I feel for ya buddy.Don't panic to much about it. FS2K4 comes out in the next 20 days or so and your back in the right seat with the latest version. That is about the same time frame that it would take to get a replacement, if they are willing, from Microsoft.

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The solution, called FS2004, will appear on store shelves in just a few short weeks. Take a little time off, relax, and wait for the new edition. :-)Darrell

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Hi,I would call Microsoft NL. Their offices are near runway 06 at Schiphol-Rijk, on the Boeing Avenu 30. (How appropriate ;) )I was there yesterday, and had some nice outside views, hehe.They know the way to get a new CD.

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>The solution, called FS2004, will appear on store shelves in>just a few short weeks. Take a little time off, relax, and>wait for the new edition. :-)That thought did cross my mind for about half a second, but I'm using a laptop and a rather old and underpowered one at that; it's just good enough to run 2002, but there's no way I can run 2004 on it, and I won't get a hardware upgrade for a while :( Besides, I've had my FS2002 for so long now.. I still have all my older versions for sentimental reasons; and I do want a complete FS2002. I mailed Microsoft Nederland; and I really hope they can send me a replacement Disc 3.. and soon, because I can't bear the thought of a vacation without FS2002 (or rather, without my runways and buildings :D )

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I don't think many people realize how fast those CD's spin. It's amazing. In the new 52X burners, it pushed 12000 RPM, and that is near the limit of the CD's built in strength. The spiral track is about 3-1/2 miles long and there about 22,000 apparent "lines" from the inside to the outside of the disk.And we burn a CD in around 3 minutes.Do the math...As a former Thermoplastics Engineer, I can assure you that at that speed, some "molded" CD's are going to crack in high speed reading units. That is why some new units have built in "fly apart" shield protection for the consumer.What we see from BJORNKEIZERS is be expected in a few cases. He just happens to be the "Lucky (Ha-Ha)" one. x(Bob (Lecanto, Fl)AMD, Athlon XP, 1800+MSI, K7T266 XP ProPC 2100 DDR, 1024 MBXP, Home Edition Elsa GLadiac 920, GF3/64Mb andPNY, Verto nVidia TNT 2-M64/32WD, 100 MB, 7200, Ultra 100Sound Blaster, Audigy MP3+CH Prod, VPP Yoke - Sound CardCH Prod, Pedals - Sound Card

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Well, the CD is rather old and heavily used; and my drive is actually a DVD-rom drive, and a quite fast one.. the thing gets so hot, after an hour I have to open the drive and let the disc sit for a minute to let it cool down; it's that hot!

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>Oh you're thinking I'm making this up? I wish dude. >>>>http://forums.avsim.com/user_files/21007.jpg>>*starts crying*>>>You should see the back... Yugh. I think I'm going to puke. I>tried to copy the stuff off the disc, but it didn't work. I>got some strange error.. Cyclic.. something or other. >>Obviously, I can't fix this by polishing or cleaning it.. I>heard about freezing the discs which worked with severe>scratches.. anyone got any experience with that? I'm willing>to try if, if that means I won't have to pay another 50 euro>for a copy.>>No Way my friend, I did belive you. Its just that, People on this fourm, are (quite Rightly) Anti pricy, although I can think of one developer that does deserve it (no flames please).. And As such we dont want hackers even thinking that this sort of stuff goes on here, IMHO.MS are really nice about changing CD's, The company I work for, have had many CD's changed.Jason

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You do not believe how true you are LOL! My 54x CD-ROM drive absolutely cannot be used with my older burnt CD-R's (such as 8x max ones I had from a while back). I already had 2 of them explode in that drive. Luckly, I could take the top of the drive off (easier to clean) and clean up the damage (dont appear to damage the drive). I don't like using that drive too much because its *VERY* loud and, well like I said, it busts some CD's LOL.

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I was going to buy it anyway, but I probably won't be able to run it on my laptop at a decent speed (I get around 10-15 FPS with FS2002 on 1024x768 with a reasonable quality) I did check out microsoft's 2004 site, and the system requirements are the same as FS2002.. well, slightly higher for the processor speed, but I have a 1.2 ghz so I'm not worried. Why oh why did it happen just two weeks before a new release!

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Hi Bjorn,as I understand it, you want to install FS on your laptop to take on holiday, and you still have it on your PC, right? In that case, why don't you just copy your entire FS2002 folder over from your PC to your laptop? FS2002 works without problems from a copied installation.Cheers,Gosta.http://hifi.avsim.net/activesky/images/wxrebeta.jpg

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I would forget about the replacement disc, they will charge you 30-40 euro for it, and FSCOF is almost here.OHN

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>as I understand it, you want to install FS on your laptop to>take on holiday, and you still have it on your PC, right? No, no, that's not the problem. My FS2002 is installed *on the laptop* but since it doesn't have a very big harddrive (17 gb) I didn't install all the scenery, which is on disc 3 (the one I broke yesterday)So, now I don't have any runways, except those in add-on scenery. Yes, I can still fly just fine, and I can live without the disc.. but I would very much like to have a replacement just in case.. >I would forget about the replacement disc, they will charge you 30->40 euro for it, Oh my. They charge *that much* for a replacement disc 3? That's absurd!If that's the case, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to wait two weeks and buy a copy of ACOF. I'm pretty much counting on the fact that I'll still be able to run it; but that's a pretty big guess. Should I be unable to run it, then I'll buy a new copy of FS2002 or find some other way of replacing my broken disc.

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Hallo BjornMisschien kun je je vraag even stellen bij het FS2002 topic van tweakers http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/779194 die lui wonen wat dichter in de buurt en ze hebben misschien een ietwat praktischere oplossing voor je.TRANSLATION:You could ask the question in this forum http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/779194 maybe someone living near to you can help with a more practical solution.

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Hi Bjorn,if it's any consolation, some of the more reliable sources who are in possession of the FS2004 beta say, that if FS2002 runs OK on your machine, you can expect FS2004 to do the same, if not better (I guess MS learned from the FS2000 fiasco).Also, a hint for the future: AS FS runs better from a full install, rather than reading the scenery from the disk, you can compress your drive (provided, it's formatted in NTFS), and it will only take up about half the HD space - I have noticed no degradation in performance.Cheers,Gosta.http://hifi.avsim.net/activesky/images/wxrebeta.jpg

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AAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!Sorry about that, I really needed a good scream. I was playing around with another game I bought yesterday, and I put the FS2002 disc 3 (which was in my CD-rom drive) in the game's box. It's one of those nasty DVD style cases. When I was done with the game, I figured I'd go and do some flying.. so I grabbed the case, opened it, pressed down on the little plastic thingy to release the disc.. but evidently, I applied a little too much pressure on the edge of the disc.. and guess what?I saw it happen. Like slow motion. Then I heard the crack.. Oh god. There's a two centimeter long *cut* ,not a scratch, on it. It went clean through and the edges were on top of each other. I popped the edges back, did a bit of a wipe, popped it in the drive and.. Nothing. Couldn't read the disc. wiped it again, and .. well, now at least it's showing up as FS_DISK_3I'm hoping I can still read the data and burn a copy of it.. but that's a long shot. Anybody wouldn't happen to know where I might find a copy or a disc image of an FS2002 Professional disc 3? bjornkeizers2@hotmail.com

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